June 4, 2025 • 44 mins
The Blue Ridge Parkway is the longest roadway in the U.S. that was planned as a single unit. Its origin is connected to government efforts to provide relief from the Great Depression, and conservation of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson
and I'm Holly Frye. It's time for the episode on
the Blue Ridge Parkway that was inspired by my recent
trip to Asheville and a historical display that I saw
outside the Folk Art Center at mile marker three eighty two.
When I saw that display, I thought, Hey, maybe we
should do an episode on the Blue Ridge Parkway, and
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then some very cursory research turned that into it should
have an introduction on Skyline Drive and then the rest
of the episode will be on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
And then during the note taking, Skyline Drive grew into
its whole episode by itself, which came out on Monday.
I think we said last time, this isn't really a
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two parter. There are some connections between the Blue Ridge
Parkway and Skyline Drive, including that they are physically connected
at Rockfish Gap in Virginia. The Blue Ridge Parkway is
four hundred and sixty nine miles long, making it the
longest linear park in the United States and the longest
roadway that was planned as a single unit. Like Skyline Drive,
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its creation was deeply connected to the federal government's efforts
to provide relief from the Great Depression and to conserve
the landscape and the views of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The Blue Ridge Parkway was planned as a road that
would stretch from Shenandoah National Park in Virginia to Great
Smoky Mountains National Park on the border of North Carolina
and Tennessee, as we talked about on Monday. The Southern
Appalachian National Park Committee recommended the creation of both of
these parks in nineteen twenty four, and President Calvin Coolidge
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signed their creation into law on May twenty second, nineteen
twenty six. But there was actually a similar road planned
through the Blue Ridge Mountains before that, a scenic toll
road that would run from Marion, Virginia to Tallula, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
This was proposed in nineteen oh six by North Carolina
state geologist Joseph Hyde Pratt, who was also a member
of the Commission of the Appalachian Forestry Reserve. Pratt secured
a charter for a company to build the road, and
construction on the first stretch of it started in nineteen fourteen,
but then World War One officially started in June of
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that year, and that put an end to that construction.
The construction did not restart once the war was over.
A very short stretch of today's Blue Ridge Parkway follows
Pratt's proposed route. It is just a couple of miles
in North Carolina, a little bit south of Linville Falls.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Discussions of a highway through the Blue Ridge Mountains resumed
in nineteen twenty eight, two years after Congress authorized the
establishment of Shenandoah, Great Smoky Mountains and Mammoth Cave National
Park Parks, the Eastern National Park to Park Highway Association,
led by Representative Maurice H. Thatcher of Kentucky, started advocating
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for a highway that would link all of those parks together.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So this was inspired not just by the creation of
those parks, but also by the National Park to Park Highway,
which connected twelve national parks in the Western United States,
including Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, and Mount Rainier.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The National Park to Park Highway.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was a loop more than five thousand miles long that
traveled through eleven states. It had been built to help
promote travel to the parks, and also out of necessity.
The federal government had established a collection of national parks,
and they were really known for their uniqueness and their beauty,
but there also just wasn't much infrastructure that would allow
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people to actually visit them, or much in the way
of maps for the roads that did exist. This became
a bigger need as cars became more popular, more affordable,
and more available. That point, sort of, the popularity of
cars had outpaced the establishment of improved roads to handle them.
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While the National Park to Park Highway existed, it was
pretty rugged. Most of it was not even paved. One
group of people departed Denver, Colorado, on August twenty sixth,
nineteen twenty, the day after the highway was dedicated, to
travel the whole route, and they stopped for lunches, dinners,
and speaking engagements, and then they spent the night somewhere
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every night and this little road trip took them seventy
six days. So the idea of an Eastern National Park
to Park Highway got some support, including from the National
Park Service and the Bureau of Public Roads, which later
became the Federal Highway Administration. The idea for the Eastern
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Highway was that it would build on established roads and highways.
It would improve ones that already existed and create new
ones where they did not exist. This proposed park to
Park Highway would travel through beautiful parts of the country,
but it was also meant to be a regular highway
open for recreation and for commercial traffic.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The Great Depression started just a year after the Eastern
National Park to Park Highway Association started advocating for this,
which meant very little progress was made on actually building it,
and then things went in a different direction. In nineteen
thirty three, President Franklin D. Roosevelt visited Civilian Conservation Core
Camps in Shenandoah National Park so as a recap. The
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CCC was a work relief program that was part of
Roosevelt's New Deal, and it was generally focused on projects
related to natural resources. During that visit, Senator Harry Bird
of Virginia suggested that a new road could be built
through the Blue Ridge Mountains, similar to Skyline Drive that
was in the process of being built through Shenandoah National Park,
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and that road would connect Shenandoah to Great Smoky Mountains
National Park.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This would be a little bit different from the proposed
Eastern National Park to Park Highway. Bird did not pitch
the idea of connecting all three of the parks, just
Shenandoah and the Smokies, although there were some various proposals
to extend the southern end of this scenic road into Georgia,
and it also would not be a regular highway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It would be a.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Limited access road with no commercial traffic. In June of
nineteen thirty three, Congress passed the National Industrial Recovery Act,
which was another part of the New Deal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
This act did a lot. It suspended various antitrust laws
and instead encouraged businesses to collaborate with one another and
to create codes of fair competition that would establish industry
wides standards for things like wages, prices, and consumer protections.
It also protected workers' rights to form unions and collectively bargain.
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Title iiO of the Act was focused on public works
and construction projects, and it's set in part quote not
less than fifty million dollars of the amount made available
by this Act shall be allotted for a National Forest
Highways B National forest roads, trails, bridges, and related projects.
C National park roads and trails in national parks approved
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or authorized. That fifty million dollars was part of a
three point three billion dollar federal public Works program. On
November twenty fourth, nineteen thirty three, Secretary of the Interior
Herald Ikis, approved the construction of a parkway connecting Shenandoah
and Great Smoky Mountains National Parks as a public works project.
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The following month, four million dollars was allotted for the construction.
The Federal Highway Act of nineteen thirty four also included
language about increasing employment by allocating money for road construction,
including quote survey, construction, reconstruction, and maintenance of highways, roads, trails, bridges,
and related projects in national parks and monuments and national forests.
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The next step was to plan a route. The easier
part was the northern end in Virginia since the road
was supposed to connect to Skyline Drive in Shenandoa National Park,
but since Great Smoky Mountains National Park is on the
border between North Carolina and Tennessee, the southern end of
the road could approach it through either of those states.
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Although there were plenty of critics of this project, overall,
both states were extremely eager to be home to the
southern end of the parkway, since the construction would bring
jobs to the area and the finished parkway would be
a source of tourism dollars. This region had been economically
depressed even before the star of the Great Depression, and
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the Depression had made that situation much worse, so there
was a huge need for relief whichever way the parkway went.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
This led to almost a year of debate, with both
Tennessee and North Carolina laying out reasons for why their
route was the better one. As examples, the Tennessee route
left the mountains and proceeded along rivers at lower elevations,
so there was an argument that people might get tired
of the mountain driving and like that change of scenery.
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But the proposed North Carolina route stayed in the mountains
and it was a lot more rugged, including the highest
elevations that the parkway would pass through. So advocates for
the North Carolina route suggested that people would appreciate those cooler,
higher elevations during the hot summers rather than having to
come down out of the mountains and drive through humid
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valleys along the river. One of the supporters of the
North Carolina route was our Getty Browning. That's an engineer
who had scoped out the proposed route himself on foot.
Landscape architect Stanley William Abbott favored the Virginia route. Both
of these men were very deeply involved with the creation
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of the parkway. Secretary Ikis appointed a committee chaired by
Maryland Senator George Radcliffe, and the first hearings were held
on February sixth, nineteen thirty four. The Radcliffe Committee recommended
the Tennessee route, but rather than going with that recommendation,
Itus approved only the portion that was the same for
both of the plans. This led to another round of
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extensive lobbying by both sides and a second set of hearings.
The North Carolina route was finally approved on November tenth,
nineteen thirty four. One of the arguments for going with
the North Carolina route was that Tennessee was already getting
federal relief and support through the Tennessee Valley Authority, which
had been established the year before. A decade after all
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of this, Tennessee also got approval for its own parkway,
the Foothills Parkway, alongside Great Smoky Mountains National Park, although today,
more than eighty years later, only part of that parkway
is complete and opened to the public.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We'll talk about what it took to get the land
to build the parkway after we paused for a sponsor break.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
As was the case with Skyline Drive. The road from
Shenandoah National Park to Great Smoky Mountains National Park was
supposed to be scenic. It was initially called the Appalachian
Scenic Highway, and in the early stages of the planning
and building, locals mostly just called it the Scenic President
Franklin D. Roosevelt signed legislation formally establishing it as the
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Blue Ridge Parkway, to be administered and maintained by the
Secretary of the Interior through the National Park Service on
June thirtieth, nineteen thirty six. By that point, the construction
had been going on for about a year. Long before that,
even before the route was approved, the parkway was being
described not just as a road, but as an elongated
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park with a much wider right of way than a
typical road. The right of way is the land that
a road rests on or is planned to be built on,
along with the land on either side that is owned
and maintained by a government entity. Exactly how much land
is needed depends on the type of road, like According
to the US Department of Transportation. A four lane divided
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highway today needs a right of way of one hundred
fifty to three hundred feet as about forty five to
ninety one meters or more. In the nineteen thirties, the
right of way for a two lane road was often
more like fifty to seventy five feet or fifteen to
twenty two meters. But the plans for this parkway started
out with a plan of a very ambitious one thousand
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feet or more than three hundred meters, to allow for
more control of the area around the road and its landscape.
That thousand foot right of way turned out to be
enormously impractical and really expensive, so in practice, as the
governments of North Carolina and Virginia got to work acquiring
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all this land, they settled on rights of way as
narrow as two hundred feet in some places but more
like eight hundred feet in others. Scenic easements were also
obtained from property owners adjacent to the parkway. These easements
barred quote unsightly or offensive material such as sawdust, ashes, trash,
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or junk, as well as things like billboards and other
commercial signs in sight of the parkway. Sometimes land that
the government acquired was also leased back to the land owners,
provided that they could follow those standards for keeping things scenic.
Just like with Shenandoah National Park, the process for obtaining
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the land was handled by the states, with the land
then being transferred to the federal government. We talked about
Virginia's process on Monday. It had passed a blanket condemnation
law that allowed for one condemnation notice to cover an
entire county, and then the Commonwealth could buy those condemned
properties under eminent domain. Virginia would transfer the land to
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the federal government once a price had been agreed upon
to compensate the landowner. In North Carolina, a map of
the affected properties was posted at each county courthouse, and
as soon as that map was posted, the property was
considered to belong to the state. The state could immediately
transfer it to the federal government and then negotiate a
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price with the landowner afterward. People typically already knew that
this was coming before the maps were posted, and they
were also generally allowed to keep living on in using
their lands temporarily while the negotiations were going on to
settle on a price. In both states, this was a
confusing and frustrating process full of inconsistencies and contradictory information,
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and people who were furious about being forced off their land. Understandably,
there were so many issues tracing back to people being
allowed to stay temporarily in North Carolina that in nineteen
thirty seven, the National Park Service recommended that no more
land be transferred until the people living on it had
been evicted. Virginia's policy of agreeing on a price before
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transferring the land meant that it took a lot longer
to get the land of the federal government, but in
North Carolina, actually getting compensation for land that had already
been transferred became truly arduous. This could also have a
huge impact on people who were losing only a small
part of their land. Like if the parkway route cut
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through the middle of somebody's farm, it wasn't just that
now there would be a road through the farm. It
would be a road that the farmer could not connect
a driveway to or use for commercial purposes. They might
not even be able to cross that road easily.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Most of the people who were affected by this were
small individual landowners. According to federal data, most of the
small farms in the region were earning only about eighty
six dollars per year, so part of the thought process
was that these families would ultimately be a lot better
off thanks to the tourism that the parkway would bring in,
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But that didn't really make it easier for people who
didn't want to lose their homes and farms, especially since
many of them had been on that land for generations.
Generally speaking, people who had more money and resources and
political connections were able to get more money for their land,
and in some cases get it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
A lot faster. But there were also some wealthier landowners
who got into really high profile multi disputes over the parkway.
One was Harriet Clarkson, who had helped found the resort
town of Little Switzerland, North Carolina. Among other things, he
was a justice on the North Carolina Supreme Court. He
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was also a white supremacist, and deeds in Little Switzerland
included racially restrictive covenants allowing their sale only to white people.
Clarkson argued that the parkway was going to wreck Little Switzerland,
and he filed suit after the States seized some of
his land. This case made its way to the state
Supreme Court, where Clarkson had to recuse himself. That left
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the court split three to three, effectively upholding an earlier decision,
which meant that Clarkson got twenty five thousand dollars for
his land, plus the parkway's narrowest right of way through
Little Switzerland, plus multiple entrances to the parkway for the resort.
By the time things were settled, the dispute had gone
on for three years. The parkway did turn out to
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be an economic boon for Little Switzerland, but Clarkson died
in nineteen forty two without seeing that.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Benefit play out.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Construction of the parkway took a very long time, something
that we will be getting back to in a bit,
and one of the other big disputes started much later
in the process. So in the nineteen thirties, Hugh Morton's grandfather,
Donald had negotiated a right of way at a lower
elevation on land that he owned near Grandfather Mountain in
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North Carolina, and that land was open to tourists. Once
the work on the parkway actually got started, though, the
government started looking at a higher elevation route around Grandfather
Mountain instead. Eventually, Morton's grandfather died and then After World
War II, Morton took control of the family business. He
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developed that property into a much bigger tourist attraction, with
a road up to the top of Grandfather Mountain and
a mile high swinging bridge which if you grew up
in North Carolina during a certain era you surely saw
ads for. This was a suspension bridge that went across
an eighty foot chasm on the property.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No thank you. Morton is often framed as a conservationist
who is fighting to save the mountain. He liked to
say that the parkway was taking a switchblade to the
Mona Lisa, and he did do a lot of conservation
work at Grandfather Mountain, but he also built a road
to the top of it. A big part of this
dispute was really about how the parkway would affect his
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growing tourist attraction. He had the support of various high
ranking political figures, including a series of North Carolina governors
and other wealthy people, so this dispute went on for
more than forty years. Ultimately, Morton and the National Park
Service did reach an agreement involving a middle route between
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the lower and higher elevation routes, but this stretch of
the Parkway was the last to be built, and it
didn't happen until the nineteen eighties. We're going to come
back to that in just a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The last prolonged dispute we're going to talk about was
actually the first one that happened chronologically, and it involved
the state of North Carolina, the federal government, and the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. The Cherokee's historical homeland spanned
much of the southeastern United States, in and around the
southern Appalachian Mountains. Many of the Cherokee had been forced
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out of this territory in the nineteenth century, including during
the massive removal that became known as the Trail of Tears.
We talked about this more in our Georgia gold Rush episode,
which came out on August twenty seventh of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Some of the Cherokee resisted this relocation, and others later
returned to the mountains from what's now Oklahoma. Today, the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is the only federally recognized
tribe in North Carolina, with about fifteen thousand enrolled members.
The Eastern Band's home in western North Carolina is the
Kuala boundary, which is often described as a reservation. It
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is not land that the federal government set aside as
a reservation for the Cherokee, though, it's land that the
Cherokee purchased for themselves in the later part of the
nineteenth century, which is under a protective trust from the
federal government. Enrolled members have the right to buy, sell,
and own the land. So the parkway planners wanted to
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acquire fifteen miles of right away across the Kuala boundary
near the southern end of the Parkway route, but the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is a federally recognized tribe
and a sovereign indigenous nation. This was also happening after
the nineteen thirty four Indian Reorganization Act, also called the
Indian New Deal, which had shifted the federal government's policy
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toward indigenous people as one of tribal sovereignty and indigenous
self determination. There were multiple laws and federal policies and
agencies involved with this, which meant that the State of
North Carolina could not just condemn this land and acquire
it under eminent domain the way that it could with
non indigenous landowners outside the Kuala boundary. This conflict had
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so many layers. The Cherokee in North Carolina were organized
and politically savvy, but they had also already been struggling
economically before the start of the Great Depression, and the
Great Depression had, of course worsened the situation. Most of
the land and the Kuala Boundary was not arable farmland,
so much of the tribe's income had been coming from timber,
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but the timber industry had collapsed in the wake of
the depression. The fifteen miles of right of way that
were wanted for the parkway included some of the tribes
limited amount of arable land.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
There were also a lot of other questions about what
the parkway would mean for the Cherokee, like what was
most important the land that the Cherokee had secured for
themselves in the face of colonization and removal and genocide.
Or was it the agricultural products that could come from
that land which people needed. Or was the tourism that
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the parkway could potentially bring Was that the most important?
If the parkway passed through part of the Kuala boundary,
what would the expectations be for the Cherokee living near
it or for the Cherokee elsewhere in the Kuala Boundary.
There were very real and reasonable fears that the Parkway
could turn Cherokee into basically a human zoo, with non
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indigenous tourists expecting to see people in what they imagined
was a Cherokee way of life. There were some similar
concerns for the rest of the Parkway as well, about
whether tourists would be expecting to see stereotypical hillbillies. But
this of course had some additional nuances for the Cherokee.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That was also connected to questions and differing opinions among
the Cherokee about what was best for them as a people,
and these are questions that had been ongoing since Europeans
had started colonizing the region. Was it better to try
to assimilate or to maintain Cherokee culture and identity as
much as possible, or perhaps some combination of both.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
In nineteen thirty five, the Cherokee approved a right of
way across part of the Kuala Boundary, but then they
rescinded that approval after it became clear that the proposed
route was going to take more arable land than had
been anticipated. That led to a proposal for a land swap,
giving the Cherokee arable land that was already part of
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Great Smoky Mountains National Park in exchange for that right
of way. Principal Chief Jarrett Blythe had been opposed to
the initial route through the Kuala boundary, but was open
to finding some kind of compromise, But a vocal opposition
had also developed within the tribe, and one of the
most outspoken opponents to the park parkway was Vice Chief
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Fred Bauer. This dispute went on for more than three years,
and by nineteen thirty nine, the Department of the Interior
was starting to explore whether there was a way to
seize the land under eminent domain. The state of North
Carolina started working on a bill that would allow for this.
All of these issues became part of the Cherokee tribal
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election in nineteen thirty nine. In that election, Blythe was
overwhelmingly re elected as Principal Chief and Bower and some
of his supporters were voted out. Afterward, the Cherokee Tribal
Council voted in support of a new plan, a higher
elevation ridge route for the parkway that would not impact
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the tribe's arable land. This was contingent upon financial compensation
for that right of way, as well as a commitment
from the federal government to build a regular highway to
the Kuala boundary to give the Cherokee better access to
the rest of the region and be all of this
was settled in nineteen forty one. The Cherokee were paid
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forty thousand dollars for that right of way, and the
federal government later built a stretch of US Highway nineteen
through the Cherokee area. In addition to all of this,
the Blue Ridge Parkway was intended to be a linear park,
connecting a string of larger parks with campgrounds, picnic areas, trails,
and other amenities along it. Some of those larger parks
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were built, but not all the ones that were part
of the original plan. Land for recreation areas beyond the
right of way for the road was acquired through the
Depression era relief agency called the Resettlement Administration, through private
donations and through transfers of land already controlled by the
US Forest Service. Several parks along the parkway were also
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privately donated, including Moses H. Cone Memorial Park and Julian
Price Memorial Park in Blowing Rock, North Carolina. We will
get to the actual building of the parkway after another
sponsor break. We mentioned two of the people who were
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heavily involved in the design of the Blue Ridge Parkway earlier,
Stanley L.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Abbot and R.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Gedty Browning. Browning was a Federal Parkway engineer whose maps
of the area and the suggested route became a big
part of the parkway planning. Abbot was named Resident Landscape
Architect and the acting Superintendent of the parkway in early
nineteen thirty seven. Abbot took some inspiration from Skyline Drive
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in Shenandoah National Park, which was also one of the
general inspirations for the Blue Ridge Parkway. He also took
inspiration from the work of landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted,
who is sometimes called the father of American landscape architecture.
Abbot and the other landscape architects who worked on the
parkway wanting to fit the road into the mountains as
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if nature had put it there. From above, it would
look like a ribbon curving through the landscape. This also
applied to the view from the road. He was a
big proponent of the scenic easements that we mentioned earlier.
Gabbitt also developed a visual approach to the parkway that
emphasized preserving and conserving the land and its history, while
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also keeping a managed landscape in mind for the future,
sort of like a Skyline Drive. This is a thing
where you look out from the parkway and it looks
like it has always been that way and its natural state,
but it's really a managed view that people are seeing.
The construction also had a lot of similarities to Skyline Drive,
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including using local stone for bridges and tunnels, and focusing
on native plants in view of the parkway. Lots of
other roads cross under the parkway, and these bridges for
the parkway were often built from local stone with a
very similar rustic look. This also applied to things like
retaining walls, bridges, and tunnels to be built along the
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parkway itself. Forty five different construction units were involved in
building the parkway in the late nineteen thirties. As was
the case with Skyline Drive, private contractors were involved, but
much of the labor was paid for by Depression era
relief programs, including the Work's Progress Administration, the Emergency Relief Administration,
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and the Civilian Conservation Corps. There were four CCC units
that worked on the parkway, and one of them, the
Gaylax Virginia Camp, was for black men. The CCC didn't
build the road itself, but was focused on things like
overlooks and amenities, as well as grading slopes and planting
trees and other plants. While Skyline Drive and Shenandoah National
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Park were both opened by the late nineteen thirties, the
Blue Ridge Parkway was a lot longer and a lot
more complex. A stretch of about twenty miles in North
Carolina near the Virginia border was open and ready for
travel by nineteen thirty nine, and by the time the
United States became involved in World War II, about one
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hundred and fifty miles were complete and the first concessions
had opened to the public. Like Shenandoah National Park, there
wasn't an overall racial segregation policy for the park, but
the initial plans had involved the construction of segregated facilities.
Only some of those facilities had been built by the
time the war started. New construction work on the parkway
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had been suspended entirely during the war, and three camps
of conscientious objectors from the Civilian Public Service worked to
maintain what was already done or in progress. Most of
the sections that had opened were not widely used during
the war due to shortages of rubber and fuel and
a ban on driving for leisure. When construction resumed after
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the war, it was without building an new segregated facilities,
but the parkway did still exist within the racial attitudes
of the areas that it was passing through. To be clear,
though those communities were not exclusively white. The parkway passes
through areas that are home to Melungeons, which are a
multi racial ethnic group in the Appalachian Mountains. That's a
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term that started out as a slur but was later reclaimed.
The parkway also passed through a number of black communities,
some of them dating back to before the Civil War,
and some of the land that was acquired for the
parkway was acquired from black families, including the Saunders family,
who had a farm near Peaks of Water, Virginia, which
they sold to the government in nineteen forty two. There's
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also a cemetery that meadows of Dan Baptist Church at
Malpost one seventy seven that's believed to be a slave cemetery.
We also talked about the southern end of the Parkway
running through Cherokee Lands in the Kuala Boundary earlier in
the episode. After the war, construction on the parkway was
also a lot slower. There was no longer the same
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sense of urgency about job creation that had propelled the
earlier work on the parkway, and most of the Depression
era relief programs that had been paying for labor had
already ended. In nineteen fifty six, the National Park Service
launched a ten year project called Mission sixty six, which
was a plan to expand the park Service handle a
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lot of badly needed maintenance and finished projects that had
been languishing, including the Blue Ridge Parkway, which still was
not done, and by the end of Mission sixty six
only seven point seven miles of the parkway were still unfinished.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That last seven point seven miles included the stretch around
Grandfather Mountain, which we mentioned before the break as being
in dispute for decades. The National Park Service and Hugh
Morton finally reached an agreement in the nineteen seventies. A
lot of the descriptions of this agreement make it sound
as though Morton's approval required the National Park Service to
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build a viaduct around the side of the Grandfather Mountain
to protect the ecosystem, but a viaduct had really been
part of the plan, since parkway planners had decided to
pursue a higher elevation route than the one that Morton's
grandfather had originally approved. The Lenco Viaduct around Grandfather Mountain was,
for the time an engineering marvel. It's made of one
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hundred and fifty three pre cast concrete segments, each of
them unique. They are held up by piers that were
cast on site. The bridge itself was the only approach
to the construction site and heavy machinery would have damaged
the landscape, so all of the work was done from above,
with equipment being brought in by helicopter and the segments
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placed one at a time by a crane that moved
along the viaduct as it was building it. This one
two hundred and fifty foot viaduct was finished in nineteen
eighty three and lost almost ten million dollars, and it
earned eight different professional awards, including the nineteen eighty four
Presidential Award for Design Excellence.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Side note. Hugh Morton died in two thousand and six,
and two years later the Morton family sold part of
their lands to the state of North Carolina. It is
now Grandfather Mountain State Park. The roadways connecting the viaduct
to the rest of the parkway on either side were
finished in nineteen eighty seven, at which point the entire
four hundred and sixty nine miles were opened for public travel.
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This project had taken more than fifty years to complete.
Over the course of its construction, it also served as
a training ground for engineers for essentially a generation, about
ten percent of the engineers at the US Bureau of
Public Roads. Later the Federal Highway Administration went through part
of their training working on the Blue Ridge Parkway. When
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the parkway was first proposed as a connection between Shenandoah
National Park and Great Smoky Mountains National Park, the assumption
was that a lot of people would be using it
to travel from one park to the other, but by
the time the parkway was mostly finished in nineteen sixty six,
there were way more options to do that thanks to
the Interstate Highway System spearheaded under the administration of President
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Dwight D. Eisenhower, and many other road building projects. When
the parkway is fully open, which currently it is not,
it takes at least ten or twelve hours to drive
from one end to the other, and that's without really
stopping to eat or go to the bathroom or you know,
look at anything. Some people do the whole thing as
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more of a five or six day road trip with
stops and sightseeing. But if your goal is just to
get from one of those parks to the other, today
there are highway routes that take more like five or
six hours, as long as you don't run into a
lot of traffic problems.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Even before the Linco Viaduct was finished, the Blue Ridge
Parkway had become one of the most pot popular parts
of the National park system, surpassing Shenandoah National Park as
the most visited national park in the US, and it
definitely brought a surge of tourism to the Blue Ridge
Mountains of North Carolina and Virginia. According to the National
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Park Service, when it's fully open, the parkway creates one
point three billion dollars in economic benefits annually, and it
supports almost eighteen thousand jobs. Obviously, though those communities relationships
with tourism are very complicated, the.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Parkway has also faced other challenges. Although its original planners
were focused on the preservation of native ecosystems and replanting
native species along the parkway. There's some evidence suggesting that
the parkway and its human and vehicle traffic have made
it easier for non native species and pathogens to really
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spread through the area. This includes plants like oriental bittersweet
and Flora bunder rose, which can compete other plants, and
insects like emerald ashboor and hemlock woolly adelgin. And of course,
there are issues like air pollution and runoff from roads
and parking lots that would not be there without the parkway.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And the reason that we keep saying when it's fully
open when talking about the road is that Hurricane Helene
did immense damage to the Blue Ridge Parkway, including downing
tens of thousands of trees, causing landslides that buried or
undercut the roadway, and washing out parts of the road
through flooding. The entire parkway had to be closed immediately
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after the storm, and more than one hundred and fifty
miles of it are still closed as of the end
of May twenty twenty five. These closed sections are all
in North Carolina. The Virginia section is open apart from
some roadwork unrelated to Helene and the Roanoke Mountain Loop,
which has been closed since a landslide in twenty eighteen
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that was caused by the remnants of Hurricane Michael. There
has been some funding allocated to repairing all of this
immense destruction, including disaster relief funding allocated by Congress and
funds from the Federal Highway Administration. This includes thirty two
point six million dollars in funding to be split between
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the US Forest Service and the National Park Service for
post Hellene repairs to the parkway. But this will probably
be a many, many years long recovery process, especially since
the National Park Service another federal agencies, have already been
faced with budget cuts and layoffs under the Trump administration.
There's a massive reduction enforced plan for the National Park
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Service that as of this moment that we're recording, still
seems to be tentative, not fully clear exactly how damaging
the impact will be for all of that.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That's the Bluegridge Parkway.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Do you have listener mail?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I do I have listener mail from mave and and
this is about a little bit of an older episode,
but we ran it as a Saturday Classic last year.
The subject line is longtime listener and the subject of bees.
Hi Holly and Tracy, I hope you are both doing well.
I'm a longtime listener since about twenty fifteen and first
time writer. I was recently listening to the Saturday Classic
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on beekeeping, and some of your discussion of the bees
themselves prompted me to chime in with my own experience.
I thought you may like hearing more about the state
or research for bees nowadays. While I can't speak for
every state, I spent the better part of a year
surveying bee species in central Louisiana as an undergraduate research
under my college's entomologist, who has a fondness for them.
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Biology and especially entomology are interesting fields because despite how
long humans have observed the natural world, there is still
a lot we don't know. Part of the issue is
the disbalanced ratio of entomologists to insects. There are so
so many insects that most entomologists focus entirely on a
select few groups, or even just one group. There's also
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a severe lack of funding for biological sciences in general.
But I'm sure you could have guessed that yourselves I
was faced with that unknown in a very real way
when I started doing research for my proposal for the
survey finding and found next to no prior research on
bees in the state outside of two heavily populated areas.
So when you mentioned the Africanized honeybees, I found it
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a bit amusing, because while it is entirely possible that
they're in Louisiana, we have no idea. Even my studies
barely scratched the surface of the species present that there
is a bigger project looking into it right now that
I'm not part of. Like you said, though, honeybees have
varying effects depending on the conditions they are in. On
the green of our campus last spring, we did not
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find a single bee that was not the European honeybee
or Eastern carpenter bee. On the other hand, and the
few times we collected in a prairie with only native forage,
we didn't find a single one. Just as well, the
physical differences between the Africanized bees and normal honey bees
is so minor that it would likely be overlooked entirely
unless one was specifically looking for it or had familiarity
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with them. There were even times we got the bees
that matched none of the resources we had available, but
due to the complicated nature of DNA testing such a
small organism, we didn't have much luck figuring out what
they were past their family. I'd also like to mention
for bee lovers you might like to check out the
Xerxes Society as and official pollinator gardens. You are likely
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to find many lovely places you can support in some
way and go observe bees and other pollinators like butterflies, beetles,
and moths. I love your podcasts and everything you guys do,
and I have been listening since shortly after both of
you were on as hosts. When I first listened to
I was in a dark place in my life, and
hearing the two of you helped me feel human again
and less lonely. Their podcast has gotten me through a
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lot of hard times nowadays. I have a long commute
and a lot of time where I do tedious lab work,
so having you guys to listen to is one of
my favorite ways to spend the time. Even subjects I
don't think will be interesting at verse always end up
intriguing me once I start the episode. Mayve goes on
to say that that as a longtime lover of Cela Camp.
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The episode on Marjorie Courtney Lattery was a favorite, and
there are also some suggestions for future episodes. And we
have some pet tax with a dots named Fenrier who
is called Finny, a lab mix Sissy, an orange cat
named Nubby, a fuzz muffin Teddy who likes to shed
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over everybody, and a mandatory alligator picture. And then uh
may have apologizes for being wordy. You do not need
to apologize. This was a lovely email with a lot
of very awesome pet pictures. All of these animals are
very very cute. I'm gonna click until I get to
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the alligator one.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I love an alligator.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't think the alligator is anyone's pet. It
is just out in the wild. I mean I say
that as though it was likely it's not anyone's pet. Obviously,
it is an alligator in the wild, just hanging out
by the edge of the water. Thank you so much
for this email. I like bees a lot, and so
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was a bit ago, is lovely. If you'd like to
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson
and I'm Holly Frye. It's time for the episode on
the Blue Ridge Parkway that was inspired by my recent
trip to Asheville and a historical display that I saw
outside the Folk Art Center at mile marker three eighty two.
When I saw that display, I thought, Hey, maybe we
should do an episode on the Blue Ridge Parkway, and
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then some very cursory research turned that into it should
have an introduction on Skyline Drive and then the rest
of the episode will be on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
And then during the note taking, Skyline Drive grew into
its whole episode by itself, which came out on Monday.
I think we said last time, this isn't really a
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two parter. There are some connections between the Blue Ridge
Parkway and Skyline Drive, including that they are physically connected
at Rockfish Gap in Virginia. The Blue Ridge Parkway is
four hundred and sixty nine miles long, making it the
longest linear park in the United States and the longest
roadway that was planned as a single unit. Like Skyline Drive,
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its creation was deeply connected to the federal government's efforts
to provide relief from the Great Depression and to conserve
the landscape and the views of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The Blue Ridge Parkway was planned as a road that
would stretch from Shenandoah National Park in Virginia to Great
Smoky Mountains National Park on the border of North Carolina
and Tennessee, as we talked about on Monday. The Southern
Appalachian National Park Committee recommended the creation of both of
these parks in nineteen twenty four, and President Calvin Coolidge
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signed their creation into law on May twenty second, nineteen
twenty six. But there was actually a similar road planned
through the Blue Ridge Mountains before that, a scenic toll
road that would run from Marion, Virginia to Tallula, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
This was proposed in nineteen oh six by North Carolina
state geologist Joseph Hyde Pratt, who was also a member
of the Commission of the Appalachian Forestry Reserve. Pratt secured
a charter for a company to build the road, and
construction on the first stretch of it started in nineteen fourteen,
but then World War One officially started in June of
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that year, and that put an end to that construction.
The construction did not restart once the war was over.
A very short stretch of today's Blue Ridge Parkway follows
Pratt's proposed route. It is just a couple of miles
in North Carolina, a little bit south of Linville Falls.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Discussions of a highway through the Blue Ridge Mountains resumed
in nineteen twenty eight, two years after Congress authorized the
establishment of Shenandoah, Great Smoky Mountains and Mammoth Cave National
Park Parks, the Eastern National Park to Park Highway Association,
led by Representative Maurice H. Thatcher of Kentucky, started advocating
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for a highway that would link all of those parks together.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
So this was inspired not just by the creation of
those parks, but also by the National Park to Park Highway,
which connected twelve national parks in the Western United States,
including Yosemite, Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, and Mount Rainier.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
The National Park to Park Highway.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Was a loop more than five thousand miles long that
traveled through eleven states. It had been built to help
promote travel to the parks, and also out of necessity.
The federal government had established a collection of national parks,
and they were really known for their uniqueness and their beauty,
but there also just wasn't much infrastructure that would allow
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people to actually visit them, or much in the way
of maps for the roads that did exist. This became
a bigger need as cars became more popular, more affordable,
and more available. That point, sort of, the popularity of
cars had outpaced the establishment of improved roads to handle them.
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While the National Park to Park Highway existed, it was
pretty rugged. Most of it was not even paved. One
group of people departed Denver, Colorado, on August twenty sixth,
nineteen twenty, the day after the highway was dedicated, to
travel the whole route, and they stopped for lunches, dinners,
and speaking engagements, and then they spent the night somewhere
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every night and this little road trip took them seventy
six days. So the idea of an Eastern National Park
to Park Highway got some support, including from the National
Park Service and the Bureau of Public Roads, which later
became the Federal Highway Administration. The idea for the Eastern
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Highway was that it would build on established roads and highways.
It would improve ones that already existed and create new
ones where they did not exist. This proposed park to
Park Highway would travel through beautiful parts of the country,
but it was also meant to be a regular highway
open for recreation and for commercial traffic.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The Great Depression started just a year after the Eastern
National Park to Park Highway Association started advocating for this,
which meant very little progress was made on actually building it,
and then things went in a different direction. In nineteen
thirty three, President Franklin D. Roosevelt visited Civilian Conservation Core
Camps in Shenandoah National Park so as a recap. The
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CCC was a work relief program that was part of
Roosevelt's New Deal, and it was generally focused on projects
related to natural resources. During that visit, Senator Harry Bird
of Virginia suggested that a new road could be built
through the Blue Ridge Mountains, similar to Skyline Drive that
was in the process of being built through Shenandoah National Park,
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and that road would connect Shenandoah to Great Smoky Mountains
National Park.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
This would be a little bit different from the proposed
Eastern National Park to Park Highway. Bird did not pitch
the idea of connecting all three of the parks, just
Shenandoah and the Smokies, although there were some various proposals
to extend the southern end of this scenic road into Georgia,
and it also would not be a regular highway.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
It would be a.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Limited access road with no commercial traffic. In June of
nineteen thirty three, Congress passed the National Industrial Recovery Act,
which was another part of the New Deal.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
This act did a lot. It suspended various antitrust laws
and instead encouraged businesses to collaborate with one another and
to create codes of fair competition that would establish industry
wides standards for things like wages, prices, and consumer protections.
It also protected workers' rights to form unions and collectively bargain.
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Title iiO of the Act was focused on public works
and construction projects, and it's set in part quote not
less than fifty million dollars of the amount made available
by this Act shall be allotted for a National Forest
Highways B National forest roads, trails, bridges, and related projects.
C National park roads and trails in national parks approved
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or authorized. That fifty million dollars was part of a
three point three billion dollar federal public Works program. On
November twenty fourth, nineteen thirty three, Secretary of the Interior
Herald Ikis, approved the construction of a parkway connecting Shenandoah
and Great Smoky Mountains National Parks as a public works project.
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The following month, four million dollars was allotted for the construction.
The Federal Highway Act of nineteen thirty four also included
language about increasing employment by allocating money for road construction,
including quote survey, construction, reconstruction, and maintenance of highways, roads, trails, bridges,
and related projects in national parks and monuments and national forests.
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The next step was to plan a route. The easier
part was the northern end in Virginia since the road
was supposed to connect to Skyline Drive in Shenandoa National Park,
but since Great Smoky Mountains National Park is on the
border between North Carolina and Tennessee, the southern end of
the road could approach it through either of those states.
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Although there were plenty of critics of this project, overall,
both states were extremely eager to be home to the
southern end of the parkway, since the construction would bring
jobs to the area and the finished parkway would be
a source of tourism dollars. This region had been economically
depressed even before the star of the Great Depression, and
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the Depression had made that situation much worse, so there
was a huge need for relief whichever way the parkway went.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
This led to almost a year of debate, with both
Tennessee and North Carolina laying out reasons for why their
route was the better one. As examples, the Tennessee route
left the mountains and proceeded along rivers at lower elevations,
so there was an argument that people might get tired
of the mountain driving and like that change of scenery.
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But the proposed North Carolina route stayed in the mountains
and it was a lot more rugged, including the highest
elevations that the parkway would pass through. So advocates for
the North Carolina route suggested that people would appreciate those cooler,
higher elevations during the hot summers rather than having to
come down out of the mountains and drive through humid
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valleys along the river. One of the supporters of the
North Carolina route was our Getty Browning. That's an engineer
who had scoped out the proposed route himself on foot.
Landscape architect Stanley William Abbott favored the Virginia route. Both
of these men were very deeply involved with the creation
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of the parkway. Secretary Ikis appointed a committee chaired by
Maryland Senator George Radcliffe, and the first hearings were held
on February sixth, nineteen thirty four. The Radcliffe Committee recommended
the Tennessee route, but rather than going with that recommendation,
Itus approved only the portion that was the same for
both of the plans. This led to another round of
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extensive lobbying by both sides and a second set of hearings.
The North Carolina route was finally approved on November tenth,
nineteen thirty four. One of the arguments for going with
the North Carolina route was that Tennessee was already getting
federal relief and support through the Tennessee Valley Authority, which
had been established the year before. A decade after all
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of this, Tennessee also got approval for its own parkway,
the Foothills Parkway, alongside Great Smoky Mountains National Park, although today,
more than eighty years later, only part of that parkway
is complete and opened to the public.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
We'll talk about what it took to get the land
to build the parkway after we paused for a sponsor break.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
As was the case with Skyline Drive. The road from
Shenandoah National Park to Great Smoky Mountains National Park was
supposed to be scenic. It was initially called the Appalachian
Scenic Highway, and in the early stages of the planning
and building, locals mostly just called it the Scenic President
Franklin D. Roosevelt signed legislation formally establishing it as the
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Blue Ridge Parkway, to be administered and maintained by the
Secretary of the Interior through the National Park Service on
June thirtieth, nineteen thirty six. By that point, the construction
had been going on for about a year. Long before that,
even before the route was approved, the parkway was being
described not just as a road, but as an elongated
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park with a much wider right of way than a
typical road. The right of way is the land that
a road rests on or is planned to be built on,
along with the land on either side that is owned
and maintained by a government entity. Exactly how much land
is needed depends on the type of road, like According
to the US Department of Transportation. A four lane divided
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highway today needs a right of way of one hundred
fifty to three hundred feet as about forty five to
ninety one meters or more. In the nineteen thirties, the
right of way for a two lane road was often
more like fifty to seventy five feet or fifteen to
twenty two meters. But the plans for this parkway started
out with a plan of a very ambitious one thousand
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feet or more than three hundred meters, to allow for
more control of the area around the road and its landscape.
That thousand foot right of way turned out to be
enormously impractical and really expensive, so in practice, as the
governments of North Carolina and Virginia got to work acquiring
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all this land, they settled on rights of way as
narrow as two hundred feet in some places but more
like eight hundred feet in others. Scenic easements were also
obtained from property owners adjacent to the parkway. These easements
barred quote unsightly or offensive material such as sawdust, ashes, trash,
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or junk, as well as things like billboards and other
commercial signs in sight of the parkway. Sometimes land that
the government acquired was also leased back to the land owners,
provided that they could follow those standards for keeping things scenic.
Just like with Shenandoah National Park, the process for obtaining
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the land was handled by the states, with the land
then being transferred to the federal government. We talked about
Virginia's process on Monday. It had passed a blanket condemnation
law that allowed for one condemnation notice to cover an
entire county, and then the Commonwealth could buy those condemned
properties under eminent domain. Virginia would transfer the land to
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the federal government once a price had been agreed upon
to compensate the landowner. In North Carolina, a map of
the affected properties was posted at each county courthouse, and
as soon as that map was posted, the property was
considered to belong to the state. The state could immediately
transfer it to the federal government and then negotiate a
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price with the landowner afterward. People typically already knew that
this was coming before the maps were posted, and they
were also generally allowed to keep living on in using
their lands temporarily while the negotiations were going on to
settle on a price. In both states, this was a
confusing and frustrating process full of inconsistencies and contradictory information,
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and people who were furious about being forced off their land. Understandably,
there were so many issues tracing back to people being
allowed to stay temporarily in North Carolina that in nineteen
thirty seven, the National Park Service recommended that no more
land be transferred until the people living on it had
been evicted. Virginia's policy of agreeing on a price before
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transferring the land meant that it took a lot longer
to get the land of the federal government, but in
North Carolina, actually getting compensation for land that had already
been transferred became truly arduous. This could also have a
huge impact on people who were losing only a small
part of their land. Like if the parkway route cut
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through the middle of somebody's farm, it wasn't just that
now there would be a road through the farm. It
would be a road that the farmer could not connect
a driveway to or use for commercial purposes. They might
not even be able to cross that road easily.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Most of the people who were affected by this were
small individual landowners. According to federal data, most of the
small farms in the region were earning only about eighty
six dollars per year, so part of the thought process
was that these families would ultimately be a lot better
off thanks to the tourism that the parkway would bring in,
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But that didn't really make it easier for people who
didn't want to lose their homes and farms, especially since
many of them had been on that land for generations.
Generally speaking, people who had more money and resources and
political connections were able to get more money for their land,
and in some cases get it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
A lot faster. But there were also some wealthier landowners
who got into really high profile multi disputes over the parkway.
One was Harriet Clarkson, who had helped found the resort
town of Little Switzerland, North Carolina. Among other things, he
was a justice on the North Carolina Supreme Court. He
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was also a white supremacist, and deeds in Little Switzerland
included racially restrictive covenants allowing their sale only to white people.
Clarkson argued that the parkway was going to wreck Little Switzerland,
and he filed suit after the States seized some of
his land. This case made its way to the state
Supreme Court, where Clarkson had to recuse himself. That left
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the court split three to three, effectively upholding an earlier decision,
which meant that Clarkson got twenty five thousand dollars for
his land, plus the parkway's narrowest right of way through
Little Switzerland, plus multiple entrances to the parkway for the resort.
By the time things were settled, the dispute had gone
on for three years. The parkway did turn out to
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be an economic boon for Little Switzerland, but Clarkson died
in nineteen forty two without seeing that.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Benefit play out.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Construction of the parkway took a very long time, something
that we will be getting back to in a bit,
and one of the other big disputes started much later
in the process. So in the nineteen thirties, Hugh Morton's grandfather,
Donald had negotiated a right of way at a lower
elevation on land that he owned near Grandfather Mountain in
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North Carolina, and that land was open to tourists. Once
the work on the parkway actually got started, though, the
government started looking at a higher elevation route around Grandfather
Mountain instead. Eventually, Morton's grandfather died and then After World
War II, Morton took control of the family business. He
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developed that property into a much bigger tourist attraction, with
a road up to the top of Grandfather Mountain and
a mile high swinging bridge which if you grew up
in North Carolina during a certain era you surely saw
ads for. This was a suspension bridge that went across
an eighty foot chasm on the property.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
No thank you. Morton is often framed as a conservationist
who is fighting to save the mountain. He liked to
say that the parkway was taking a switchblade to the
Mona Lisa, and he did do a lot of conservation
work at Grandfather Mountain, but he also built a road
to the top of it. A big part of this
dispute was really about how the parkway would affect his
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growing tourist attraction. He had the support of various high
ranking political figures, including a series of North Carolina governors
and other wealthy people, so this dispute went on for
more than forty years. Ultimately, Morton and the National Park
Service did reach an agreement involving a middle route between
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the lower and higher elevation routes, but this stretch of
the Parkway was the last to be built, and it
didn't happen until the nineteen eighties. We're going to come
back to that in just a bit.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
The last prolonged dispute we're going to talk about was
actually the first one that happened chronologically, and it involved
the state of North Carolina, the federal government, and the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. The Cherokee's historical homeland spanned
much of the southeastern United States, in and around the
southern Appalachian Mountains. Many of the Cherokee had been forced
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out of this territory in the nineteenth century, including during
the massive removal that became known as the Trail of Tears.
We talked about this more in our Georgia gold Rush episode,
which came out on August twenty seventh of twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Some of the Cherokee resisted this relocation, and others later
returned to the mountains from what's now Oklahoma. Today, the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is the only federally recognized
tribe in North Carolina, with about fifteen thousand enrolled members.
The Eastern Band's home in western North Carolina is the
Kuala boundary, which is often described as a reservation. It
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is not land that the federal government set aside as
a reservation for the Cherokee, though, it's land that the
Cherokee purchased for themselves in the later part of the
nineteenth century, which is under a protective trust from the
federal government. Enrolled members have the right to buy, sell,
and own the land. So the parkway planners wanted to
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acquire fifteen miles of right away across the Kuala boundary
near the southern end of the Parkway route, but the
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is a federally recognized tribe
and a sovereign indigenous nation. This was also happening after
the nineteen thirty four Indian Reorganization Act, also called the
Indian New Deal, which had shifted the federal government's policy
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toward indigenous people as one of tribal sovereignty and indigenous
self determination. There were multiple laws and federal policies and
agencies involved with this, which meant that the State of
North Carolina could not just condemn this land and acquire
it under eminent domain the way that it could with
non indigenous landowners outside the Kuala boundary. This conflict had
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so many layers. The Cherokee in North Carolina were organized
and politically savvy, but they had also already been struggling
economically before the start of the Great Depression, and the
Great Depression had, of course worsened the situation. Most of
the land and the Kuala Boundary was not arable farmland,
so much of the tribe's income had been coming from timber,
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but the timber industry had collapsed in the wake of
the depression. The fifteen miles of right of way that
were wanted for the parkway included some of the tribes
limited amount of arable land.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
There were also a lot of other questions about what
the parkway would mean for the Cherokee, like what was
most important the land that the Cherokee had secured for
themselves in the face of colonization and removal and genocide.
Or was it the agricultural products that could come from
that land which people needed. Or was the tourism that
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the parkway could potentially bring Was that the most important?
If the parkway passed through part of the Kuala boundary,
what would the expectations be for the Cherokee living near
it or for the Cherokee elsewhere in the Kuala Boundary.
There were very real and reasonable fears that the Parkway
could turn Cherokee into basically a human zoo, with non
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indigenous tourists expecting to see people in what they imagined
was a Cherokee way of life. There were some similar
concerns for the rest of the Parkway as well, about
whether tourists would be expecting to see stereotypical hillbillies. But
this of course had some additional nuances for the Cherokee.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
That was also connected to questions and differing opinions among
the Cherokee about what was best for them as a people,
and these are questions that had been ongoing since Europeans
had started colonizing the region. Was it better to try
to assimilate or to maintain Cherokee culture and identity as
much as possible, or perhaps some combination of both.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
In nineteen thirty five, the Cherokee approved a right of
way across part of the Kuala Boundary, but then they
rescinded that approval after it became clear that the proposed
route was going to take more arable land than had
been anticipated. That led to a proposal for a land swap,
giving the Cherokee arable land that was already part of
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Great Smoky Mountains National Park in exchange for that right
of way. Principal Chief Jarrett Blythe had been opposed to
the initial route through the Kuala boundary, but was open
to finding some kind of compromise, But a vocal opposition
had also developed within the tribe, and one of the
most outspoken opponents to the park parkway was Vice Chief
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Fred Bauer. This dispute went on for more than three years,
and by nineteen thirty nine, the Department of the Interior
was starting to explore whether there was a way to
seize the land under eminent domain. The state of North
Carolina started working on a bill that would allow for this.
All of these issues became part of the Cherokee tribal
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election in nineteen thirty nine. In that election, Blythe was
overwhelmingly re elected as Principal Chief and Bower and some
of his supporters were voted out. Afterward, the Cherokee Tribal
Council voted in support of a new plan, a higher
elevation ridge route for the parkway that would not impact
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the tribe's arable land. This was contingent upon financial compensation
for that right of way, as well as a commitment
from the federal government to build a regular highway to
the Kuala boundary to give the Cherokee better access to
the rest of the region and be all of this
was settled in nineteen forty one. The Cherokee were paid
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forty thousand dollars for that right of way, and the
federal government later built a stretch of US Highway nineteen
through the Cherokee area. In addition to all of this,
the Blue Ridge Parkway was intended to be a linear park,
connecting a string of larger parks with campgrounds, picnic areas, trails,
and other amenities along it. Some of those larger parks
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were built, but not all the ones that were part
of the original plan. Land for recreation areas beyond the
right of way for the road was acquired through the
Depression era relief agency called the Resettlement Administration, through private
donations and through transfers of land already controlled by the
US Forest Service. Several parks along the parkway were also
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privately donated, including Moses H. Cone Memorial Park and Julian
Price Memorial Park in Blowing Rock, North Carolina. We will
get to the actual building of the parkway after another
sponsor break. We mentioned two of the people who were
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heavily involved in the design of the Blue Ridge Parkway earlier,
Stanley L.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Abbot and R.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Gedty Browning. Browning was a Federal Parkway engineer whose maps
of the area and the suggested route became a big
part of the parkway planning. Abbot was named Resident Landscape
Architect and the acting Superintendent of the parkway in early
nineteen thirty seven. Abbot took some inspiration from Skyline Drive
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in Shenandoah National Park, which was also one of the
general inspirations for the Blue Ridge Parkway. He also took
inspiration from the work of landscape architect Frederick Law Olmsted,
who is sometimes called the father of American landscape architecture.
Abbot and the other landscape architects who worked on the
parkway wanting to fit the road into the mountains as
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if nature had put it there. From above, it would
look like a ribbon curving through the landscape. This also
applied to the view from the road. He was a
big proponent of the scenic easements that we mentioned earlier.
Gabbitt also developed a visual approach to the parkway that
emphasized preserving and conserving the land and its history, while
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also keeping a managed landscape in mind for the future,
sort of like a Skyline Drive. This is a thing
where you look out from the parkway and it looks
like it has always been that way and its natural state,
but it's really a managed view that people are seeing.
The construction also had a lot of similarities to Skyline Drive,
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including using local stone for bridges and tunnels, and focusing
on native plants in view of the parkway. Lots of
other roads cross under the parkway, and these bridges for
the parkway were often built from local stone with a
very similar rustic look. This also applied to things like
retaining walls, bridges, and tunnels to be built along the
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parkway itself. Forty five different construction units were involved in
building the parkway in the late nineteen thirties. As was
the case with Skyline Drive, private contractors were involved, but
much of the labor was paid for by Depression era
relief programs, including the Work's Progress Administration, the Emergency Relief Administration,
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and the Civilian Conservation Corps. There were four CCC units
that worked on the parkway, and one of them, the
Gaylax Virginia Camp, was for black men. The CCC didn't
build the road itself, but was focused on things like
overlooks and amenities, as well as grading slopes and planting
trees and other plants. While Skyline Drive and Shenandoah National
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Park were both opened by the late nineteen thirties, the
Blue Ridge Parkway was a lot longer and a lot
more complex. A stretch of about twenty miles in North
Carolina near the Virginia border was open and ready for
travel by nineteen thirty nine, and by the time the
United States became involved in World War II, about one
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hundred and fifty miles were complete and the first concessions
had opened to the public. Like Shenandoah National Park, there
wasn't an overall racial segregation policy for the park, but
the initial plans had involved the construction of segregated facilities.
Only some of those facilities had been built by the
time the war started. New construction work on the parkway
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had been suspended entirely during the war, and three camps
of conscientious objectors from the Civilian Public Service worked to
maintain what was already done or in progress. Most of
the sections that had opened were not widely used during
the war due to shortages of rubber and fuel and
a ban on driving for leisure. When construction resumed after
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the war, it was without building an new segregated facilities,
but the parkway did still exist within the racial attitudes
of the areas that it was passing through. To be clear,
though those communities were not exclusively white. The parkway passes
through areas that are home to Melungeons, which are a
multi racial ethnic group in the Appalachian Mountains. That's a
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term that started out as a slur but was later reclaimed.
The parkway also passed through a number of black communities,
some of them dating back to before the Civil War,
and some of the land that was acquired for the
parkway was acquired from black families, including the Saunders family,
who had a farm near Peaks of Water, Virginia, which
they sold to the government in nineteen forty two. There's
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also a cemetery that meadows of Dan Baptist Church at
Malpost one seventy seven that's believed to be a slave cemetery.
We also talked about the southern end of the Parkway
running through Cherokee Lands in the Kuala Boundary earlier in
the episode. After the war, construction on the parkway was
also a lot slower. There was no longer the same
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sense of urgency about job creation that had propelled the
earlier work on the parkway, and most of the Depression
era relief programs that had been paying for labor had
already ended. In nineteen fifty six, the National Park Service
launched a ten year project called Mission sixty six, which
was a plan to expand the park Service handle a
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lot of badly needed maintenance and finished projects that had
been languishing, including the Blue Ridge Parkway, which still was
not done, and by the end of Mission sixty six
only seven point seven miles of the parkway were still unfinished.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That last seven point seven miles included the stretch around
Grandfather Mountain, which we mentioned before the break as being
in dispute for decades. The National Park Service and Hugh
Morton finally reached an agreement in the nineteen seventies. A
lot of the descriptions of this agreement make it sound
as though Morton's approval required the National Park Service to
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build a viaduct around the side of the Grandfather Mountain
to protect the ecosystem, but a viaduct had really been
part of the plan, since parkway planners had decided to
pursue a higher elevation route than the one that Morton's
grandfather had originally approved. The Lenco Viaduct around Grandfather Mountain was,
for the time an engineering marvel. It's made of one
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hundred and fifty three pre cast concrete segments, each of
them unique. They are held up by piers that were
cast on site. The bridge itself was the only approach
to the construction site and heavy machinery would have damaged
the landscape, so all of the work was done from above,
with equipment being brought in by helicopter and the segments
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placed one at a time by a crane that moved
along the viaduct as it was building it. This one
two hundred and fifty foot viaduct was finished in nineteen
eighty three and lost almost ten million dollars, and it
earned eight different professional awards, including the nineteen eighty four
Presidential Award for Design Excellence.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Side note. Hugh Morton died in two thousand and six,
and two years later the Morton family sold part of
their lands to the state of North Carolina. It is
now Grandfather Mountain State Park. The roadways connecting the viaduct
to the rest of the parkway on either side were
finished in nineteen eighty seven, at which point the entire
four hundred and sixty nine miles were opened for public travel.
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This project had taken more than fifty years to complete.
Over the course of its construction, it also served as
a training ground for engineers for essentially a generation, about
ten percent of the engineers at the US Bureau of
Public Roads. Later the Federal Highway Administration went through part
of their training working on the Blue Ridge Parkway. When
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the parkway was first proposed as a connection between Shenandoah
National Park and Great Smoky Mountains National Park, the assumption
was that a lot of people would be using it
to travel from one park to the other, but by
the time the parkway was mostly finished in nineteen sixty six,
there were way more options to do that thanks to
the Interstate Highway System spearheaded under the administration of President
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Dwight D. Eisenhower, and many other road building projects. When
the parkway is fully open, which currently it is not,
it takes at least ten or twelve hours to drive
from one end to the other, and that's without really
stopping to eat or go to the bathroom or you know,
look at anything. Some people do the whole thing as
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more of a five or six day road trip with
stops and sightseeing. But if your goal is just to
get from one of those parks to the other, today
there are highway routes that take more like five or
six hours, as long as you don't run into a
lot of traffic problems.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Even before the Linco Viaduct was finished, the Blue Ridge
Parkway had become one of the most pot popular parts
of the National park system, surpassing Shenandoah National Park as
the most visited national park in the US, and it
definitely brought a surge of tourism to the Blue Ridge
Mountains of North Carolina and Virginia. According to the National
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Park Service, when it's fully open, the parkway creates one
point three billion dollars in economic benefits annually, and it
supports almost eighteen thousand jobs. Obviously, though those communities relationships
with tourism are very complicated, the.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Parkway has also faced other challenges. Although its original planners
were focused on the preservation of native ecosystems and replanting
native species along the parkway. There's some evidence suggesting that
the parkway and its human and vehicle traffic have made
it easier for non native species and pathogens to really
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spread through the area. This includes plants like oriental bittersweet
and Flora bunder rose, which can compete other plants, and
insects like emerald ashboor and hemlock woolly adelgin. And of course,
there are issues like air pollution and runoff from roads
and parking lots that would not be there without the parkway.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
And the reason that we keep saying when it's fully
open when talking about the road is that Hurricane Helene
did immense damage to the Blue Ridge Parkway, including downing
tens of thousands of trees, causing landslides that buried or
undercut the roadway, and washing out parts of the road
through flooding. The entire parkway had to be closed immediately
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after the storm, and more than one hundred and fifty
miles of it are still closed as of the end
of May twenty twenty five. These closed sections are all
in North Carolina. The Virginia section is open apart from
some roadwork unrelated to Helene and the Roanoke Mountain Loop,
which has been closed since a landslide in twenty eighteen
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that was caused by the remnants of Hurricane Michael. There
has been some funding allocated to repairing all of this
immense destruction, including disaster relief funding allocated by Congress and
funds from the Federal Highway Administration. This includes thirty two
point six million dollars in funding to be split between
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the US Forest Service and the National Park Service for
post Hellene repairs to the parkway. But this will probably
be a many, many years long recovery process, especially since
the National Park Service another federal agencies, have already been
faced with budget cuts and layoffs under the Trump administration.
There's a massive reduction enforced plan for the National Park
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Service that as of this moment that we're recording, still
seems to be tentative, not fully clear exactly how damaging
the impact will be for all of that.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
That's the Bluegridge Parkway.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Do you have listener mail?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
I do I have listener mail from mave and and
this is about a little bit of an older episode,
but we ran it as a Saturday Classic last year.
The subject line is longtime listener and the subject of bees.
Hi Holly and Tracy, I hope you are both doing well.
I'm a longtime listener since about twenty fifteen and first
time writer. I was recently listening to the Saturday Classic
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on beekeeping, and some of your discussion of the bees
themselves prompted me to chime in with my own experience.
I thought you may like hearing more about the state
or research for bees nowadays. While I can't speak for
every state, I spent the better part of a year
surveying bee species in central Louisiana as an undergraduate research
under my college's entomologist, who has a fondness for them.
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Biology and especially entomology are interesting fields because despite how
long humans have observed the natural world, there is still
a lot we don't know. Part of the issue is
the disbalanced ratio of entomologists to insects. There are so
so many insects that most entomologists focus entirely on a
select few groups, or even just one group. There's also
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a severe lack of funding for biological sciences in general.
But I'm sure you could have guessed that yourselves I
was faced with that unknown in a very real way
when I started doing research for my proposal for the
survey finding and found next to no prior research on
bees in the state outside of two heavily populated areas.
So when you mentioned the Africanized honeybees, I found it
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a bit amusing, because while it is entirely possible that
they're in Louisiana, we have no idea. Even my studies
barely scratched the surface of the species present that there
is a bigger project looking into it right now that
I'm not part of. Like you said, though, honeybees have
varying effects depending on the conditions they are in. On
the green of our campus last spring, we did not
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find a single bee that was not the European honeybee
or Eastern carpenter bee. On the other hand, and the
few times we collected in a prairie with only native forage,
we didn't find a single one. Just as well, the
physical differences between the Africanized bees and normal honey bees
is so minor that it would likely be overlooked entirely
unless one was specifically looking for it or had familiarity
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with them. There were even times we got the bees
that matched none of the resources we had available, but
due to the complicated nature of DNA testing such a
small organism, we didn't have much luck figuring out what
they were past their family. I'd also like to mention
for bee lovers you might like to check out the
Xerxes Society as and official pollinator gardens. You are likely
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to find many lovely places you can support in some
way and go observe bees and other pollinators like butterflies, beetles,
and moths. I love your podcasts and everything you guys do,
and I have been listening since shortly after both of
you were on as hosts. When I first listened to
I was in a dark place in my life, and
hearing the two of you helped me feel human again
and less lonely. Their podcast has gotten me through a
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lot of hard times nowadays. I have a long commute
and a lot of time where I do tedious lab work,
so having you guys to listen to is one of
my favorite ways to spend the time. Even subjects I
don't think will be interesting at verse always end up
intriguing me once I start the episode. Mayve goes on
to say that that as a longtime lover of Cela Camp.
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The episode on Marjorie Courtney Lattery was a favorite, and
there are also some suggestions for future episodes. And we
have some pet tax with a dots named Fenrier who
is called Finny, a lab mix Sissy, an orange cat
named Nubby, a fuzz muffin Teddy who likes to shed
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over everybody, and a mandatory alligator picture. And then uh
may have apologizes for being wordy. You do not need
to apologize. This was a lovely email with a lot
of very awesome pet pictures. All of these animals are
very very cute. I'm gonna click until I get to
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the alligator one.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I love an alligator.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't think the alligator is anyone's pet. It
is just out in the wild. I mean I say
that as though it was likely it's not anyone's pet. Obviously,
it is an alligator in the wild, just hanging out
by the edge of the water. Thank you so much
for this email. I like bees a lot, and so
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getting to return to the beekeeping episode, even though it
was a bit ago, is lovely. If you'd like to
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