June 5, 2025 • 50 mins
This week on the podcast Leslie speaks with Kristina Finch Bloom, who not only follows Leslie, but is also married to the president of TikTok Canada. They talk the differences between TikTok in the US and Canada, free speech, Canada and American under Trump, parenting, and how to keep kids safe. They also read comments from Leslie's infamous shopping cart video.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson. Produced by Liam Billingham. Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media. The views expressed in this podcast episode are solely those of the guest speaker and do not reflect the views of the host or the production company.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
You're welcome back to intentionally Disturbing. This week, I get
to talk with Christina finch Bloom. Christina is a fellow Canadian. Yes,
I'm Canadian, guys, and she is married to the president
of TikTok Canada. Christina and I have quite a funny
conversation where we go through how Canada views America right now.
(00:37):
We talk a little bit about Trump, and we talk
about those infamous TikTok comments on my viral don't Return
your Shopping Cart video.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It Allay, you're here today, I get to talk to Christina.
I'm very excited. So we're calling it what follower turned friend.
Christina is Canadian, and I don't know if anyone knows this,
but so am I. Christina is married to somebody pretty
(01:10):
high up in the TikTok world, the president of TikTok
more specific. Yeah, how are you feeling about your recent
election and our recent election?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So, I mean, I think I've got a lot of
pretty mixed feelings. It was really interesting, I would say,
to see Canada go from such an anti liberal sentiment.
I mean, our prime minister was in power for a decade,
which is very long time, no matter what country you're from,
because I don't you have millions of listeners. But the
(01:43):
way the Canadian politics tenure and the timeline works is
much different than the US. It's not four years, eight years.
A prime minister can actually run indefinitely, and Trudeau was
a sign of that. And by the end Canadians were
really really pissed off with him and the liberal leadership
in general, and we swung largely conservative, which happens every
(02:10):
about decade or so. Canadians go liberal, liberal, liberal, and
then we're like, ah, the world is crumbling, let's go conservative.
We stay conservative for about a year, and then we
go back to liberal. And I think we saw that
trend happening. And then your president got elected and started
ship with Canada for absolutely no reason and so far
(02:30):
as any of us can tell, and Canada went conservative
and we thought that Paulia was a shoeing and frankly,
as a liberal person myself, I was looking forward to
some transformative change and then Paulia seeming to be aligned
with Trump and then we went right back to liberals.
(02:51):
So I would say it was a bit of a
confusing time for all Canadians and politics it thought that
Trudeau delivered an amazing speech in opposition to Trump, and
I think that sort of started swinging the pendulum back
to liberal anyway. I could talk politics all day, but
all that to say, I'm conflicted by it. I think
that Carney is a strong leader. I think pauliev would
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have been some really good change for Canada for a
little bit. And the one thing I can say for
sure is that Canada is fed up with the whole thing.
I mean, our grocery shelves are stockpiled with made in Canada,
made in Canada, made in Canada, and they're empty, and
all the ones that say made in the US full.
(03:37):
No one's buying us. I went into the grocery store
to buy whiskey for my husband because he happens to
be a connoisseur, and stupidly, you know, I'm still breastfeeding,
I'm not sleeping, I am blonde by birth, so I've
got all these things working against me. And I'm like,
oh my god, where'd the whiskey section go? And I
got blasted by an employee. She's like, how dare you
(03:59):
support I was like, oh yeah, I forgot. So there's
no bourbon on any of our shells, No American wine,
no nothing. And so Canada is really really looking inward
at making sure we're supporting our own economy, which I
would say was well timed. We needed to lean into
Canadian made things anyway, like I believe in the global economy,
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but you also have to support what's at home. So
that was a very long winded answer.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Sorry, no, it's good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Sorry the Canadian.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll say that I didn't I did
not know that. I did not know that it was
to that extent.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, I mean restaurants are taking out Canadian made
or American made beefs. It's it's pervasive. It's everywhere, from
the convenience store all the way to the fanciest of restaurants,
to all of our alcohols, to even our candy. You're
in our candy.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I've got an eleven year old daughter who's obsessed and
she can't get certain candies. And oh my gosh, I ordered.
So my daughter's having a three rex birthday party, very exciting.
So I ordered from Etsy this really beautiful, little too
too t Rex girly costume because even though she likes dinosaurs,
she's a true little girl and I so I already
(05:18):
was paying an absorbitent amount of money in shipping, which
I didn't mind because I like supporting small business, even
if it is from the US. It's not a small
business owners problem that these tariffs exist. And so I
was paying double the cost of the item to have
it shipped. It showed up on my door and there
was a sixty five dollars American tariff on top of it.
(05:40):
And I emailed the woman and I said, hey, listen,
I just want to let you know, as a Canadian,
I now got charged another almost one third of the
total cost for these tariffs. She ended up paying for
it and apologizing profusely and reading, you know, the very
long list of her products getting in East and she's like,
(06:01):
She's like, I can't sell the Canadians anymore and this
is half of my base. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Wow, I didn't know that. Maybe that's why no one's
buying my sweatshirts. I'd say, I'm not your fucking therapist.
I want what how do I send it?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, very very not easily.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean at Niagara Falls, we'll throw it over.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Who's going to cross the border, Because at this point,
people are getting their or their passports taken away, and
people are like, if you have any anti sentiment anything
on your phone for Trump, they are they can look
through and penalize you for it. It's crazy crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So there was this one weird thing that happened with
TikTok where like I started following jd Vance and Trump.
My account did, but I didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I can't speak to the algorithms for TikTok or
anything else, but I actually noticed that it happened for
me on Instagram and Facebook. And I'm a Canadian. Why
would I follow Jade Vance of all people?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Right, Well, I mean his wife, Like I really liked
her dress, you know, during the inauguration, and I loved
that her daughter had band aids on every finger. And
they were like they were like unashamed about how like.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
This is what our children really are. They're just hot messes,
you know. But that's about it. That's about it. So
but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Had to go unfollow a bunch of politicians that I
never followed. Dame, that's weird. Do you and Josh like
sit at home and well you don't drink whiskey and
drink something and like.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We still have some left, we still have.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, do you talk about like just the weird shit
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, I would say we used to a lot more
when we were in COVID and all the rest. But
you know, and I obviously can't disclose thing because there's
a lot going on in the walls of every social
media company. But we've talked a lot less because there's
just so like, I know, there's a there's a lot
happening in the US but TikTok, but there's a lot
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going on in Canada with TikTok as well. The government's involved,
and you know, we don't get to quite chat as
openly as we as we once did. And also because
it's it's kind of sad that there's a lot of
governing of free speech in Canada specifically, I don't know
if you know, but the Canadian government two years ago
(08:36):
shut down the ability to broadcast news on social media,
any news from CBC, CNN, anything, And that felt like
a pretty large smack in the face to freedom of speech,
especially since like, social media isn't the problem, right all
of it. All it is is it is a platform
to spread information. So the information and the people are
(08:59):
the problems. Social media is merely a tool to you know,
disseminate and to distribute the content. And when the government
gets involved and says you're not allowed to distribute this
content anymore, kind of things start to go a little
bit dark and weird. And so unfortunately, we don't sit
around and you know, we share TikTok videos all the time,
(09:19):
all day, every day, but we don't talk about it
a whole lot because it's just it's just a very
complicated web right now.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It is like one of the most I don't know
if you'd call it trending, but I don't really use
Twitter or x but we just call it like it's
the but the racism that has been kind of going
viral on those apps and people just openly using the
N word, just openly saying that they are a part
(09:50):
of these horrible organizations, and it's just up there for
the world to see, for our kids to see, Like,
can I'm I share.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It with you? Can I share with you an unpopular opinion? Yes,
And it has been my opinion for a very long time,
and I largely I've spoken about all of my opinions.
I actually think it's wonderful that they have this platform
that they can share their speech on. And you want
to know why? Now we know who they are, Now
(10:17):
we know what they think. It's no longer you know
your neighbor next door who is a covert narcissist. Now
we know that he's singing you know, the N word
and Jay's new ahh song and whatever else I would
almost rather know. Do I like that it maybe could
(10:38):
influence younger children? No, but I do also want to
stop pretending that this doesn't exist. And when we suppress
freedom's speech, and when we don't know who our enemies are,
then we don't know. And so the influence of younger
people bothers me because it makes them think that this
is okay. But I want to know. I want to
(11:00):
know who these assholes are.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right, Yeah, no, I know, And I love that they
are literally stupid enough to post the stuff with their
fucking names, their faces, their full names, like I you know,
as we'll talk about my my shopping cart situation, like
(11:22):
the FBI picked up numerous of those threats made against
me because they could find the people very easily, Like
someone in like the Living and the Sticks in Oregon
is on their watch list now because of what of
the death threats that they were sending me.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, and it's just like.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That a good thing. Maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's a good thing that that one And I'm thinking
of one individual and that he's so fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Like I always say, say, I'm not saying we should
like allow people to hurt themselves, but maybe we just
like remove warning labels and let things figure themselves out
on their own.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, I mean, like working in prisons, it was always
you know, is it a cold threat or is it
a hot threat? And so the cold was like a
kind of a mild threat, but we couldn't act on it.
We couldn't give them consequences. And we're always told take
a cold threat and make it hot. You want the
hot threat. You want to be able to offer consequences.
And so if we don't know, like if I didn't
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know people wanted to kill me, then you know, I'm
going to be a lot more scared. But if you're
just gonna come out right and say, hey, I'm going
to kill you and it's gonna be Tuesday at three,
then that's cool.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'd prefer to know that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, I would like to call law enforcement and say, hey,
here's something interesting for you.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, unlike you, I get to carry a gun everywhere
I go.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That was something I wanted to talk to you about too,
because it's you know, I don't think about anyone ever
having a gun in their on their person ever, Like
I can't say that it's ever crossed mind, except maybe
walking home alone, you know, after clubbing at three am
and being in a dorgality with someone where you think,
(13:08):
oh no, maybe, but it's just not something as Canadians
we think about like ever.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, you know, being from Canada, you know, I was
raised very anti gun, and then it carried over to
when we moved to America and my father was he's
so anti gun. He's very much you know, guns are
only made to kill people. And I tend to agree,
although the defensive side of me is like, you know,
(13:35):
it is a nice last piece to keep yourself safe
in situations when a knife or your body is not
going to do it right.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But so it depends on your environment. If everybody else
is carrying a gun around, then yeah, I mean it
makes sense to bring a gun to a gunfight.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, But it's like I mean, I still I still
look at it and I feel uncomfortable. I mean, I've
gone through extensive training on using guns, and I think
anyone who takes on and it depends on the state, right,
like California is different. People in Walmart and like the
Deep South are just like just got guns strapped all
(14:12):
over their fucking body.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So you got open.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I mean, that's that's one thing that we joke about
in Canada too, is that like guns have more rights
than women's uteruses in the US. It's true. Sorry again
sorry Americans.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
No, it's really it is really true. So I mean, well,
if I'm not gonna have any more babies, I might
as well just have guns.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Then you'll know what to be protected.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's horrifying, Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So okay, so you sent me a video truth or trolling, yes,
which when I opened it, I I really thought it
was an SNL skip right, I mean, And it was
mostly because of that blonde guy in the back with
like the SLI back hair Valdemort.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Maybe it looked.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Like a wig and I was like, this can't be real.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was real.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
They can't even make an SNLS get out of it
because it already is.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
One ooops commercial time. So in the same vein we're
going to do truth or trolling. I'm going to read
you some comments on my viral shopping car video and
then we'll just have a little discussion about it.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So I have to guess whether this was actually said
or whether this is you trolling.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That, and then like maybe like we talk about the
weight of it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, definitely, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So to orient people who don't have social media, I
did a video where I just very quickly, I think
it was like seventeen second, said I'm not going to
return my shopping cart if my kids are in the car,
and what else I say if my kids are in
the car and I just don't want to And I
told everyone to fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Off basically, And that's what made me follow you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Perfect. So the larger purpose of the video, which nobody
really cared to look at the rest of my page
or understand. The Daily Show all the way up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
To like it was on Fox News, they kept.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Calling me single mom who refuses to return her shopping
cart all over the American News. I was like, Okay.
The larger point of the video was that if you
don't feel safe, you should be paying attention to your
gut and your intuition and when you're returning your shopping cart,
you should think about, you know, is their potential danger.
(16:54):
Let me look around a little bit and if there is,
fuck the judgment, leave the cart somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Safe, obviously, Like one of the comments was just because.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Of you, the cart rolled into the highway, like I mean,
the projections onto me, also me being like a white
woman with a vocal fry like a Kardashian. I mean,
the projections were just I don't know, I had like
clean hair and an al of yoga sweater on.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So all of the shame the show.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So that's so that video went viral and like has
like one hundred million shares. I actually I think I
wrote down the statistics of the video.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know where it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Is, but if you look it up, it so I
pinned it to the top of my TikTok just for
the world to enjoy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Can I say something about that, by the way, that
I use quite a few of your soundwit bites often
and not necessarily, even where just shopping carts are concerned.
But you gave a stat where you linked out to
some stat about the danger of parking lots in general.
The fact that you know, of course and especially as
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a Canadian, we always want to do, you know, the
kind or the gracious thing. Of course, returning your shopping
card is like a normal thing to do, but not
at the danger of your very you know, innocent children.
And there was another stat too about carjackings and children
(18:20):
being in the car by accident and it's just not
worth it. And there's quite a few sound bites, and
I wish my brain worked well enough to list them
off for you, the sound bite creator, But I talk
about them often people, And it's not necessarily about shopping guards.
It could dugtails into so many other subjects. It's like, yeah,
you know, spatial awareness, taking a look around. You don't
(18:43):
want to be worried all the time that you know
your children are going to get kidnapped or you know,
the worst of the worst. But if you're not aware,
and you don't know that a parking lot is a
dangerous spot, and if you've never thought, hey, it's actually
not worth the risk to not return my card, then
you don't know what you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Know right exactly. And having worked with so many predators,
you are vulnerable when you come out of the store,
so they've watched you pull in they've watched how you
do it. They've watched you put your kids in the cart,
you go into the store, and now they're waiting for
a vulnerable moment to target you. And this may not
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be all the time, but predators are watching and they're
waiting for patterns, and especially pedophiles, especially child predators, they're
going to set the scene up.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
They're going to watch you for weeks going to.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The grocery store and they're gonna watch your patterns. I mean, sure,
return your cart and zigzag and run like crazy and
screaming in the parking lot, look like a fucking crazy lunatic.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Maybe they won't harm you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But it was the bigger point, right, It was the
situational awareness. And then other people like did the video
who were men, and they got no hate, they got
no comments. Yeah, I mean there was one like I
think we call the small people. Now there's like a
small person who did who stitched the video and said, look,
I can return my cart and I'm a small person.
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I was like, that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But do you have.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Small children in your car as well?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That's not the point.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Are you in downtown Los Angeles? You know where you
can't park, you're a mile from the store, and your
kids are like okay, so okay, all right. So what
I noticed was that I am officially added to Wikipedia
under the shopping cart theory. I sell this for you,
so I will read the little blurb about the theory.
(20:37):
It says the shopping cart theory is an Internet meme,
which is apparently me which judges a person's ethics by
whether they return a shopping cart to its designated cart
corral or deposit area. So, in simple terms, people refer
to it as the ultimate litmus test you can't say
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the word for whether a person is capable of self governing,
or the apex example of whether a person will do
what is right without being forced to do it. So
if you do it, you're good. If you don't, you're bad.
And we don't care about the situation or the context
(21:19):
or yeah exactly. Okay, so that's kind of the context
of the shopping cart Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Here's our first comment. This is from Casey. I love
how people's pictures are up.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Now have I have I saved all of them in
case we get banned again? You know, it's like a
three hundred and fifty page word document Oh my gosh. Okay,
Casey said, as a dad, I try setting a good
example by putting it away. And my late father once
taught me, if you're oh, there's a lot of typos.
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If you're too big to do something small, you or
he's not putting in apostrophes, you're too small to do
something big, And that really stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think that this person actually said it truth but.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But isn't that beautiful that it's a man that's I'm
sure he's white by the name Casey, and his kids
are probably not in the car. So I'm going to
say that his late pops gave it a beautiful sound bite,
and then it does not apply, So go counsel.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, we have envy music videos.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
There's someone we could look up.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're good because you have a reason. The shopping cart
test is for men. A mother doesn't need to risk
her or child safety. Nobody should judge you unless they
are just shit.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think they also said that, and I have for check.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I agree clearly we have like the not so horrible comments. Okay,
let's jump to oh this is from a leslie. Okay,
all right, people who.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Don't return their carts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Are those who only care about themselves, don't worry about
other people's cars or the employees who have to chase
the cart down because you left it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's all about you after all.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh my god, great name, terrible comment.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So they are telling so that's a true comment. But
they are just like trolling me. Yeah, okay. We've got
Jose saying you must be a bit slow for somebody
who has doctor in their username.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's fine, that's that's another true comment.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And there's so many typos, there's no period, there's no grammar.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh my gosh, By the way, how much did you
enjoy the your education minister sending trolling messages to Harvard
and the Harvard University professor just marking it up and
sending it on the internet for all to see. Die hilarious.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's how I respond to these comments, like I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I don't want there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
All I do is I rewrite their hate speech and
I correct it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Be like really, yeah, thank you? I will go die
in a shopping card. Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Savvy with a smiley face says, as a worker at
a small retail store. I don't feel safe either in
my dark, large parking lot where I have to walk
around collecting carts with no cameras and men drinking beer.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm gonna say that's also truth. But you choose to
work there, and maybe you should have different roles and
responsibilities you don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, so there, She's got a point, right, Like,
if you don't return your cart, who's going to return it? Right?
But people have jobs that do that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And also.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's usually during the daylight. The manager of the store
should be responsible for sending out a young woman in
the middle of the night to get the carts.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, no, absolutely, but that's also like and not again
not very Canadian of me, But that's not your problem. Like,
that is literally her job. She literally gets paid to
do that job. You're you know, it's kind of what
bothers me about self checkout. This is not my job.
I do not work at your grocery store. Yeah, I
do not want to check I got my own groceries.
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I want to put my shopping cart back, and I
always will when I can't, But when I cannot, I
won't and I will feel no shame thanks to you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, and also self checkout, and then they ask for
a tip like no, but yet still I have this
gut reaction of like, oh my god, I feel guilty
if I don't just give them in the ten percent?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
What is two dollars to me? But who am I
giving it to? The giant corporation?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
The AI, the robosts?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I know? Okay, um.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oh, here's one from a nice man named John Paul. Wait,
fuck off yourself. Have you ever tried having a brain before?
He that was misspelled b R A n E. It
would tell you to fuck off and bring your car back. Wow.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I think that's also true. I think there are people
that's dumb, that's happy.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, all of these are true.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I pull okay, I just literally copy them from and
then one more neutral one. Now this is from an orthodontist.
So this is like a licensed doctor. I looked up
his web page. He's a human being.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
All the comments are still up on TikTok if anyone
wants to look. So this doctor says it's pretty easy
get groceries in the car. Again, he's this is full
of typos. Get groceries in the car? Have kids help?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Space? Space Commas space space.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Then have a fun time showing your kids how to
return a cart and be a good person. Then put
your kid in the car.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
L Wow, my eight month old loves helping me return
the car.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The the narrow mindset of the comments and the inability
for people to think bigger than the seventeen second video,
and then this their justification of just throwing out such
strong hate comments that are full of projection and judgment.
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It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It is amazing. It's like you've left your dog in
the car for an hour in the heat, Like, yeah,
these two things are not the same.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
No, what did you think when you first saw the
video before.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Before we started talking?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, actually to tell you, and I'm sure maybe you've
seen it written in your comments. Maybe you haven't. I
admittedly have read through some of her comment when I
needed a good chuckle, because listening to stupid people is
quite funny. It honestly, I felt like it set me
free from an obligation that I had been conflicted over
and putting my children in you know, a moment's danger.
(29:16):
And then some of other people too, saying hey, you know, actually,
if you park right beside the shopping cart that you
could do to great suggestion, one that I hadn't thought
about before. Usually, I want to park as close to
the door as I physically can because I'm crying, you know,
the baby bucket in one arm, and I'm trying to
make things quick, when actually, if I just park a
little bit close to the actual card itself, bingo bango,
(29:38):
All done. But honestly, it was pretty liberating for me
to feel like, hey, there's actually like reasonable people out
there that it's so bizarre because it is a litmus test.
You're like, oh my god, if I leave my card here,
am I being an asshole? Who you have to think about?
Who being an asshole too is the most important? If
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I'm being an asshole to that woman who has got
to collect the carts at the end of the night,
I'm sorry, but my children I would like to be
an ass whole less two than you. Sorry about your
inconvenience you're being paid. My children are innocent sitting in
a car.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right And who are all of these people when every
time you go to a parking lot there are carts
everywhere everywhere. Who are all the people saying that they
return their carts because nobody seems to I would.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I would say that I'd very rarely see a shopping
cart left out, especially in the suburbs, more in the yeah,
the big cities. But I don't feel I don't feel guilty.
Now if I'm in a suburban girl and I've even
left it there and someone looked at me, I'm like, sorry,
my kids are in the car. Do you want to
move it for me? Oh you don't? Ohkay, bye bye,
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thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
For me.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I found it very liberating, and that's that's what drew
me to your content. Was like, hey, we can have
these conversations about safety, and you've experienced so much in
your life, none of which I've experience. I've never worked,
you know, in a jail. I've never But I wanted
to be a forensic psychologist in university, but I certainly
never got to even the studying portion of it. I
(31:14):
love true crime, so I don't know if that makes
me a doctor maybe, yeah, but a TikTok doctor, yeah exactly.
But it was very liberating to me to see, you know,
a movement where it's like, hey, let's be aware, let's
look at our surroundings, and let's not feel guilty. About
stupid shit because exactly good shit inconsequential at the end
(31:37):
of the day.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And taking it to even a larger place. The fact
that this was like world news shows you the state
of our world, Like people needed to retreat from from
the heavy stuff and they had to.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Or maybe people will only had.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The capacity to comment on something like this because they
don't have the capacity to comprehend what's happening in the
actual world.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Old, yeah, yeah, they need to pan out a little farther,
a little a little frightening. But this tends to be
something too that, like, you know, it's you live in
such a population dense country. It was so many different
types of people across the US. Very Canna's population wise
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is very very small. We're a very large physical mass,
but there's only the same amount of population as in California.
And you know, I would argue that the French Canadians
are different than the people from Vancouver, but not by
such an overwhelming degree. You know, in the US, you
guys have just so very very diverse types of people
(32:44):
and thoughts and feelings and politics and all the rest.
Very very and also very divisive. Like Americans argue more
Canadians are just like, man, you don't agree.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I know, Bye, what do you think that's about?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean, it is like it is so incredibly divisive
here on about everything.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I don't really know. I don't know if it's cultural
where Canadians have just been raised to have conversations and sure,
I mean we fight as much as Americans do, but
it's just not we don't seem to hold on to
our opinions with such conviction. I don't know, Like I'm
happy to be wrong. Prove it to me and most
(33:30):
of the people that I know. But but maybe that's
my circle of influence and I you know, I don't
know enough people. I don't know. I can't answer that.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
We'll be right back after this break, so.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
As we wrap up, I would love to hear.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Oh and I didn't read the one. God there was
one comment that I didn't read because it was so bad.
But it was like, get ready, I'm gonna put a
bullet in your head in your kid's huts.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's scary, Yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That was a really bad one.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, like, how do you how do you not
be afraid to put out content? How do you not
be afraid to say something that people are not going
to agree with, especially when you have such a huge platform,
and not be afraid.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
But again, I think a lot of these people are
you know, they're just they're miserable and they're just finding
a keyboard warriors, finding a place to place their hate,
and it's really sad.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I can't live.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
My life without morals and mission and know that, you know,
for some fucking reason, I can talk about gruesome shit
and people will listen. And if I was like some old,
fucking fat white dude, I don't think people would listen
in the same way. And that's why I think, like,
jury's listen to me because they're like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What you say?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
We just talked about a rectum hold on?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm just like giggling and like, but okay, So with
all that said, how do you what is your overall
view on being I mean, you're in the TikTok family,
so what is your overall view on that comment can
get so bad and can get so dark, and can
(35:33):
stay up there and be allowed to kind of bully
people in that way.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, it kind of goes back to what I said before.
I'm almost more for it than against it, And I
don't know if that sounds callous or I would just
probably know where the death threats are coming from and
that account linked and being able to go to the
police and say, here's this person, who is you know,
(35:59):
giving me death threats? To your point about those like
the cold threads, those are almost a little bit more
frightening because you know, they maybe they pose a thread.
They're not outright saying that, Kay, I'm gonna come shoot
you and your kids in the head. But I would
rather know who my enemies are. But that leads more
to my point about people being more strategic about when
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you let your children use social media. You know, I'm
very much am of the mindset that no social media
until maybe your freefrontial cortex is closed. I don't know,
is it reasonable to think your child's never going to
go on social media before eighteen to twenty one? Probably not.
But you know, there's a reason that TikTok's age is
thirteen as a minimum, and there's a reason that they're
(36:46):
working more and more. And I don't mean to sound like,
you know, an advocate for TikTok, you know, but they're
working on making sure that the comment sections are being
monitored like children should have monitoring, and the apps that
are coming out to monitor your children's phones, and the
negative and positive sentiment controls that exist when your child's
(37:07):
texting another human to alert the parents, Hey, your child's
being bullied. You know, it's happening online more and more
and more, and offline less and less, because like you said,
people are you know, keyboard warriors. But I think the
comment section should exist for adults, and I think that
we just need to be more responsible with how our
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children use social media so that the true form of
freedom of speech isn't influencing. They're very influenceable brains. And
I know it's a very unpopular opinion, So no.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I think it's an amazing perspective. It's an amazing perspective.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And again, people, people especially in America, are fed you know,
fed ideologies, are fed propaganda, fed news, whatever you want
to call it, and they just believe it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They don't question it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So, I mean, so it's refreshing to hear your perspective.
I mean, we literally are told that TikTok is going
to steal all of our information.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I mean, I still can't believe.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The day TikTok got close in America, but all of
you guys, everyone else in the world, everyone could see
us as our counts.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well, the more embarrassing thing was all these admissions that
these TikTok influencers were giving as they thought their worlds
were collapsing. To me, honestly, I think that I don't
think I can get in any trouble for this. I
think it was a bit of a stunt, to be honest.
I think it was meant to make Trump look like
you could come in and save the day. I'm not
saying that TikTok colluded with Trump to make that sell.
(38:41):
That's not what I'm saying at all. I think, you know,
companies were just like, okay, well, if you're gonna shut
us down, then shut us down. Like it's a lot
of posturing, and then it allowed Trump to come and
save the day. Ultimately. You know, you and I talked
about this before, the whole thing about it being a
Chinese company and all the rest of it, I mean
(39:01):
technically to Singaporean company. And yes it's owned by a
Chinese hold co. But so are microchips, so are the
SIM cards in your phone, So are the batteries in
your tesla. I mean, you know, it's it's a little
bit asinine in my opinion, that we're worried that China
(39:23):
is going to steal our brains from the TikTok apps
where ninety percent of people are just dancing and having
fun and spreading joy and creativity. It's not it's you know,
TikTok was always meant to be a happy platform and
a dancing platform, and you know, again inspiring creativity and
imagination and all these really wonderful things. China's not stealing that.
(39:50):
And maybe I'm naive, you know, I leave room for that.
I'm not in the tech industry anymore. But it just
it doesn't doesn't make sense. And also what's happening with
They're on trial again right now, Like what's happening with Google?
Like if you think our data is being collected by China,
maybe we should be worried about what data is being
collected by all of your apps. I mean, you and
(40:10):
I talk on the phone and then all of a sudden,
I'm getting an AD the next day with literal physical
verbiage that we didn't type, that we only talked about,
that's not from China, no, except tick talk.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But it's so great to have a conversation about it
and like just put the different perspectives out there. And
I think American Americans are well one.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We don't get.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
News about the rest of the world, right, We just hear, right,
you know, like we I think we're just gonna buy Canada.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You guys have a price.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Never that will never happen. Never.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But we don't hear about other countries, and we sure
as fuck don't hear about other countries' perspectives of us.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and I think you know, one thing that that
Carney's speech really did a good job of I thought
was him saying, like, listen, we love Americans. We just
don't love American politics, and we don't like what the
politicians are doing to the relationship between Canadian politics and
US politics. I still love all my Canadian or American
(41:22):
friends just as much as before. And to your point,
my friends are calling me in the US and saying like, hey,
are we the laughing stock of the universe. I'm like,
I mean, it's not right. It's not a good look
what Trump is doing to and it's not the Americans
that are the laughing stock. It's American politics that is
the laughing stock. I mean, this guy is accepting four
(41:45):
hundred million dollar plane, billion dollar plane than great. Yeah
you heard of the Trojan Horse? No one, anyone? Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
What he said was he would be stupid, not too stupid.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I think we became the laughing stock. You know when
Arnold came into office, because I was in England at
the time and everybody was like, is this a stunt?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I was like, no, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know what, we like characters running our government.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I would teach Schwarzenegger for president over your current administration.
But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Maybe we could change the rule and I could be
the president. I know I wasn't born there, but we
changed that rule. Yeah, okay, final thoughts, I give us
a call to action.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh well, actually I wanted to ask you about AI
because you were kind of a specialist and like, what
do we need to work like look out for in
terms of keeping our families safe with all this craziness
because very soon the videos are going to be very believable,
whether it's given from any social media app or the
(43:03):
news or I mean, like, how are you dealing with
that in your practice? How do we deal with that
as mothers and parents? And you know, give me the
shopping cart spin on this? What do we do?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean, I think there's a lot of we need
to keep things old school in a way, like we
should keep printed photos, We should keep our identification in
a non burn bag, right, an antifier.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Bag, Like we really should.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Go back to the nineteen fifties and make sure that
we have everything a foundation laid out in that way
and be able to prove when like when there are
deep fakes or when our images are used and it
can be anyone, right, they're gonna it will be everyone soon.
It won't just be people putting themselves out there, right
that you can take a four year old's picture and
(43:55):
morph them into an eighteen year old and then use
that for somebody's fake. I mean, so keeping records and
documentation is a safety and security measure and keeping it offline,
and there are some really good apps that are encrypted
where you can start to keep things secure in private.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
To try that.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, Signal is a great app.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
If you don't show the whole world the government secrets.
But I think you know, realizing that even if you
think you're just putting up one picture and it was
one time, you're giving You're giving the internet access to
your child, and those images can be stored and morphed
(44:45):
and and they can track the growth of your child
over time and use it to then eventually become whatever
child they want to be, whatever adult.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
They want to be. Right season amazing. I mean you
sent me a video of.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You, of your wedding photo and you were dancing and
it was like AI generated.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, it's incredible, but it's also really really scary, and
we have to be able to prepare for the worst,
but we don't want to live in fear at the
same time, So if we can prepare in a way
that makes us comfortable and grounded and limit our online exposure,
like these celebrities who are showing their homes, Yeah, there's
(45:32):
just so much where you can find them.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
The other trend, if you recall, was the children holding
that really cute poster board with the child's school name
and their teacher's name and their favorite color and what
they want to be when they grow up, and basically
avoiding any safe word that a stranger may use, like oh,
your mom told me that your favorite color is green
(45:57):
and that you're two, or your teacher missus bab I
said it's okay for me to pick you up. I
thought that was again one of those moments where you
just don't think about it and you're posting this really innocent,
really wonderful moment that it really is not Internet sharable,
and that's a lesson for me.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I mean, AI in itself is a predator, right, and
it gives predators more ways to leverage predatory things. And
you know, most crimes are impulsive, but many are very instrumental,
and they they play out for a long time, and
criminals build on things that they like. I mean, look
(46:40):
at Sean Colmes and the trial. You know, he definitely
grew into himself over the years and he started to
have a taste and a style and an enterprise and
everybody was coming on. Not to say come, but everybody
was like joining.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Pardon the not pardon, but.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It's so awesome. I mean, just you know, talk to
your family, talk to your friends, check yourself, just check yourself,
see where you're at. And also hire one of those
companies reputation defender. There's all these companies Delete me that's
what the FBI uses, I think, and they'll just scan
the internet. They'll just make sure your address isn't out there,
and they'll just keep checking to see that you're not
on the dark Web, and they can even check for photos,
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photos of you and your kids.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
So then that's my actionable takeaway is to do what
I'm going to do and what I'm committed to doing,
which is taking my kids down from social media. And
the other thing too is I saw a photo that
I posted, again super innocently, of my family standing in
front of my home and my not my name of
(47:45):
my street, but my street number was on our home
in the background. And it was another one of those
moments that was like, oh my gosh, and it's completely accidental.
So you know, you ask me what my action item is,
it would be to do what I'm doing and you know,
realize the harm that's out there and protect your children
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not just in your shopping carts but online.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
So yeah, And it's amazing to hear you say that,
you know, married to the president of TikTok, Canada.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I mean, even with his.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Job, we all have to be equally aware and the
CEOs of our own lives and families.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah, yeah, and if anything, we should actually be more
vigilant about it because we understand the inherent risk. But
I think we just convince ourselves that, oh, if I
keep my account private and I only have these people
following me, that that's safe and that they're safe, and
that we're safe. But that's not the truth.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Unfortunately, sadly, no, hackers are really really good, and there
will will be a time in your life where you
are the target of hacking. I mean, all us experienced
following accounts we didn't choose to follow after the election,
even private accounts. So yeah, oh, I'm so glad that
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you took this time to go into the TikTok studio,
have an amazing setup and background and then have it
epically fail and nothing worked, and now you're in like
a closet. I am going to clause in your cell
phone on myself.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
But here we are made it happen see technology.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Thank you for so far that's true. Yeah, that's very true. Well,
thank you for having me. It's so fun to chat
with you always, and like you said, from being just
a follower to a friend who has been a fun journey.
So thank you. For your advice along the way, and
I look forward to lots more laughing at your President.
You're welcome back to intentionally Disturbing. This week, I get
to talk with Christina finch Bloom. Christina is a fellow Canadian. Yes,
I'm Canadian, guys, and she is married to the president
of TikTok Canada. Christina and I have quite a funny
conversation where we go through how Canada views America right now.
(00:37):
We talk a little bit about Trump, and we talk
about those infamous TikTok comments on my viral don't Return
your Shopping Cart video.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
It Allay, you're here today, I get to talk to Christina.
I'm very excited. So we're calling it what follower turned friend.
Christina is Canadian, and I don't know if anyone knows this,
but so am I. Christina is married to somebody pretty
(01:10):
high up in the TikTok world, the president of TikTok
more specific. Yeah, how are you feeling about your recent
election and our recent election?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So, I mean, I think I've got a lot of
pretty mixed feelings. It was really interesting, I would say,
to see Canada go from such an anti liberal sentiment.
I mean, our prime minister was in power for a decade,
which is very long time, no matter what country you're from,
because I don't you have millions of listeners. But the
(01:43):
way the Canadian politics tenure and the timeline works is
much different than the US. It's not four years, eight years.
A prime minister can actually run indefinitely, and Trudeau was
a sign of that. And by the end Canadians were
really really pissed off with him and the liberal leadership
in general, and we swung largely conservative, which happens every
(02:10):
about decade or so. Canadians go liberal, liberal, liberal, and
then we're like, ah, the world is crumbling, let's go conservative.
We stay conservative for about a year, and then we
go back to liberal. And I think we saw that
trend happening. And then your president got elected and started
ship with Canada for absolutely no reason and so far
(02:30):
as any of us can tell, and Canada went conservative
and we thought that Paulia was a shoeing and frankly,
as a liberal person myself, I was looking forward to
some transformative change and then Paulia seeming to be aligned
with Trump and then we went right back to liberals.
(02:51):
So I would say it was a bit of a
confusing time for all Canadians and politics it thought that
Trudeau delivered an amazing speech in opposition to Trump, and
I think that sort of started swinging the pendulum back
to liberal anyway. I could talk politics all day, but
all that to say, I'm conflicted by it. I think
that Carney is a strong leader. I think pauliev would
(03:15):
have been some really good change for Canada for a
little bit. And the one thing I can say for
sure is that Canada is fed up with the whole thing.
I mean, our grocery shelves are stockpiled with made in Canada,
made in Canada, made in Canada, and they're empty, and
all the ones that say made in the US full.
(03:37):
No one's buying us. I went into the grocery store
to buy whiskey for my husband because he happens to
be a connoisseur, and stupidly, you know, I'm still breastfeeding,
I'm not sleeping, I am blonde by birth, so I've
got all these things working against me. And I'm like,
oh my god, where'd the whiskey section go? And I
got blasted by an employee. She's like, how dare you
(03:59):
support I was like, oh yeah, I forgot. So there's
no bourbon on any of our shells, No American wine,
no nothing. And so Canada is really really looking inward
at making sure we're supporting our own economy, which I
would say was well timed. We needed to lean into
Canadian made things anyway, like I believe in the global economy,
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but you also have to support what's at home. So
that was a very long winded answer.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Sorry, no, it's good.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Sorry the Canadian.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'll say that I didn't I did
not know that. I did not know that it was
to that extent.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, I mean restaurants are taking out Canadian made
or American made beefs. It's it's pervasive. It's everywhere, from
the convenience store all the way to the fanciest of restaurants,
to all of our alcohols, to even our candy. You're
in our candy.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I've got an eleven year old daughter who's obsessed and
she can't get certain candies. And oh my gosh, I ordered.
So my daughter's having a three rex birthday party, very exciting.
So I ordered from Etsy this really beautiful, little too
too t Rex girly costume because even though she likes dinosaurs,
she's a true little girl and I so I already
(05:18):
was paying an absorbitent amount of money in shipping, which
I didn't mind because I like supporting small business, even
if it is from the US. It's not a small
business owners problem that these tariffs exist. And so I
was paying double the cost of the item to have
it shipped. It showed up on my door and there
was a sixty five dollars American tariff on top of it.
(05:40):
And I emailed the woman and I said, hey, listen,
I just want to let you know, as a Canadian,
I now got charged another almost one third of the
total cost for these tariffs. She ended up paying for
it and apologizing profusely and reading, you know, the very
long list of her products getting in East and she's like,
(06:01):
She's like, I can't sell the Canadians anymore and this
is half of my base. Crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Wow, I didn't know that. Maybe that's why no one's
buying my sweatshirts. I'd say, I'm not your fucking therapist.
I want what how do I send it?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, very very not easily.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I mean at Niagara Falls, we'll throw it over.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Who's going to cross the border, Because at this point,
people are getting their or their passports taken away, and
people are like, if you have any anti sentiment anything
on your phone for Trump, they are they can look
through and penalize you for it. It's crazy crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
So there was this one weird thing that happened with
TikTok where like I started following jd Vance and Trump.
My account did, but I didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
So I can't speak to the algorithms for TikTok or
anything else, but I actually noticed that it happened for
me on Instagram and Facebook. And I'm a Canadian. Why
would I follow Jade Vance of all people?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Right, Well, I mean his wife, Like I really liked
her dress, you know, during the inauguration, and I loved
that her daughter had band aids on every finger. And
they were like they were like unashamed about how like.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
This is what our children really are. They're just hot messes,
you know. But that's about it. That's about it. So
but yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Had to go unfollow a bunch of politicians that I
never followed. Dame, that's weird. Do you and Josh like
sit at home and well you don't drink whiskey and
drink something and like.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
We still have some left, we still have.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Okay, do you talk about like just the weird shit
like that.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, I would say we used to a lot more
when we were in COVID and all the rest. But
you know, and I obviously can't disclose thing because there's
a lot going on in the walls of every social
media company. But we've talked a lot less because there's
just so like, I know, there's a there's a lot
happening in the US but TikTok, but there's a lot
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going on in Canada with TikTok as well. The government's involved,
and you know, we don't get to quite chat as
openly as we as we once did. And also because
it's it's kind of sad that there's a lot of
governing of free speech in Canada specifically, I don't know
if you know, but the Canadian government two years ago
(08:36):
shut down the ability to broadcast news on social media,
any news from CBC, CNN, anything, And that felt like
a pretty large smack in the face to freedom of speech,
especially since like, social media isn't the problem, right all
of it. All it is is it is a platform
to spread information. So the information and the people are
(08:59):
the problems. Social media is merely a tool to you know,
disseminate and to distribute the content. And when the government
gets involved and says you're not allowed to distribute this
content anymore, kind of things start to go a little
bit dark and weird. And so unfortunately, we don't sit
around and you know, we share TikTok videos all the time,
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all day, every day, but we don't talk about it
a whole lot because it's just it's just a very
complicated web right now.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It is like one of the most I don't know
if you'd call it trending, but I don't really use
Twitter or x but we just call it like it's
the but the racism that has been kind of going
viral on those apps and people just openly using the
N word, just openly saying that they are a part
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of these horrible organizations, and it's just up there for
the world to see, for our kids to see, Like,
can I'm I share.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
It with you? Can I share with you an unpopular opinion? Yes,
And it has been my opinion for a very long time,
and I largely I've spoken about all of my opinions.
I actually think it's wonderful that they have this platform
that they can share their speech on. And you want
to know why? Now we know who they are, Now
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we know what they think. It's no longer you know
your neighbor next door who is a covert narcissist. Now
we know that he's singing you know, the N word
and Jay's new ahh song and whatever else I would
almost rather know. Do I like that it maybe could
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influence younger children? No, but I do also want to
stop pretending that this doesn't exist. And when we suppress
freedom's speech, and when we don't know who our enemies are,
then we don't know. And so the influence of younger
people bothers me because it makes them think that this
is okay. But I want to know. I want to
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know who these assholes are.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Right, Yeah, no, I know, And I love that they
are literally stupid enough to post the stuff with their
fucking names, their faces, their full names, like I you know,
as we'll talk about my my shopping cart situation, like
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the FBI picked up numerous of those threats made against
me because they could find the people very easily, Like
someone in like the Living and the Sticks in Oregon
is on their watch list now because of what of
the death threats that they were sending me.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, and it's just like.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
That a good thing. Maybe that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
It's a good thing that that one And I'm thinking
of one individual and that he's so fucking stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Like I always say, say, I'm not saying we should
like allow people to hurt themselves, but maybe we just
like remove warning labels and let things figure themselves out
on their own.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Well, I mean, like working in prisons, it was always
you know, is it a cold threat or is it
a hot threat? And so the cold was like a
kind of a mild threat, but we couldn't act on it.
We couldn't give them consequences. And we're always told take
a cold threat and make it hot. You want the
hot threat. You want to be able to offer consequences.
And so if we don't know, like if I didn't
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know people wanted to kill me, then you know, I'm
going to be a lot more scared. But if you're
just gonna come out right and say, hey, I'm going
to kill you and it's gonna be Tuesday at three,
then that's cool.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I'd prefer to know that.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, I would like to call law enforcement and say, hey,
here's something interesting for you.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well, unlike you, I get to carry a gun everywhere
I go.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
That was something I wanted to talk to you about too,
because it's you know, I don't think about anyone ever
having a gun in their on their person ever, Like
I can't say that it's ever crossed mind, except maybe
walking home alone, you know, after clubbing at three am
and being in a dorgality with someone where you think,
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oh no, maybe, but it's just not something as Canadians
we think about like ever.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, you know, being from Canada, you know, I was
raised very anti gun, and then it carried over to
when we moved to America and my father was he's
so anti gun. He's very much you know, guns are
only made to kill people. And I tend to agree,
although the defensive side of me is like, you know,
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it is a nice last piece to keep yourself safe
in situations when a knife or your body is not
going to do it right.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But so it depends on your environment. If everybody else
is carrying a gun around, then yeah, I mean it
makes sense to bring a gun to a gunfight.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, But it's like I mean, I still I still
look at it and I feel uncomfortable. I mean, I've
gone through extensive training on using guns, and I think
anyone who takes on and it depends on the state, right,
like California is different. People in Walmart and like the
Deep South are just like just got guns strapped all
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over their fucking body.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So you got open.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
I mean, that's that's one thing that we joke about
in Canada too, is that like guns have more rights
than women's uteruses in the US. It's true. Sorry again
sorry Americans.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
No, it's really it is really true. So I mean, well,
if I'm not gonna have any more babies, I might
as well just have guns.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Then you'll know what to be protected.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's horrifying, Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So okay, so you sent me a video truth or trolling, yes,
which when I opened it, I I really thought it
was an SNL skip right, I mean, And it was
mostly because of that blonde guy in the back with
like the SLI back hair Valdemort.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Maybe it looked.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Like a wig and I was like, this can't be real.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
It was real.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
They can't even make an SNLS get out of it
because it already is.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
One ooops commercial time. So in the same vein we're
going to do truth or trolling. I'm going to read
you some comments on my viral shopping car video and
then we'll just have a little discussion about it.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
So I have to guess whether this was actually said
or whether this is you trolling.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That, and then like maybe like we talk about the
weight of it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, definitely, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
So to orient people who don't have social media, I
did a video where I just very quickly, I think
it was like seventeen second, said I'm not going to
return my shopping cart if my kids are in the car,
and what else I say if my kids are in
the car and I just don't want to And I
told everyone to fuck.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Off basically, And that's what made me follow you.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Perfect. So the larger purpose of the video, which nobody
really cared to look at the rest of my page
or understand. The Daily Show all the way up.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
To like it was on Fox News, they kept.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Calling me single mom who refuses to return her shopping
cart all over the American News. I was like, Okay.
The larger point of the video was that if you
don't feel safe, you should be paying attention to your
gut and your intuition and when you're returning your shopping cart,
you should think about, you know, is their potential danger.
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Let me look around a little bit and if there is,
fuck the judgment, leave the cart somewhere.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Safe, obviously, Like one of the comments was just because.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Of you, the cart rolled into the highway, like I mean,
the projections onto me, also me being like a white
woman with a vocal fry like a Kardashian. I mean,
the projections were just I don't know, I had like
clean hair and an al of yoga sweater on.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
So all of the shame the show.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
So that's so that video went viral and like has
like one hundred million shares. I actually I think I
wrote down the statistics of the video.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I don't know where it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Is, but if you look it up, it so I
pinned it to the top of my TikTok just for
the world to enjoy.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Can I say something about that, by the way, that
I use quite a few of your soundwit bites often
and not necessarily, even where just shopping carts are concerned.
But you gave a stat where you linked out to
some stat about the danger of parking lots in general.
The fact that you know, of course and especially as
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a Canadian, we always want to do, you know, the
kind or the gracious thing. Of course, returning your shopping
card is like a normal thing to do, but not
at the danger of your very you know, innocent children.
And there was another stat too about carjackings and children
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being in the car by accident and it's just not
worth it. And there's quite a few sound bites, and
I wish my brain worked well enough to list them
off for you, the sound bite creator, But I talk
about them often people, And it's not necessarily about shopping guards.
It could dugtails into so many other subjects. It's like, yeah,
you know, spatial awareness, taking a look around. You don't
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want to be worried all the time that you know
your children are going to get kidnapped or you know,
the worst of the worst. But if you're not aware,
and you don't know that a parking lot is a
dangerous spot, and if you've never thought, hey, it's actually
not worth the risk to not return my card, then
you don't know what you don't.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Know right exactly. And having worked with so many predators,
you are vulnerable when you come out of the store,
so they've watched you pull in they've watched how you
do it. They've watched you put your kids in the cart,
you go into the store, and now they're waiting for
a vulnerable moment to target you. And this may not
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be all the time, but predators are watching and they're
waiting for patterns, and especially pedophiles, especially child predators, they're
going to set the scene up.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
They're going to watch you for weeks going to.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
The grocery store and they're gonna watch your patterns. I mean, sure,
return your cart and zigzag and run like crazy and
screaming in the parking lot, look like a fucking crazy lunatic.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Maybe they won't harm you.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But it was the bigger point, right, It was the
situational awareness. And then other people like did the video
who were men, and they got no hate, they got
no comments. Yeah, I mean there was one like I
think we call the small people. Now there's like a
small person who did who stitched the video and said, look,
I can return my cart and I'm a small person.
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I was like, that's not the point.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
But do you have.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Small children in your car as well?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That's not the point.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Are you in downtown Los Angeles? You know where you
can't park, you're a mile from the store, and your
kids are like okay, so okay, all right. So what
I noticed was that I am officially added to Wikipedia
under the shopping cart theory. I sell this for you,
so I will read the little blurb about the theory.
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It says the shopping cart theory is an Internet meme,
which is apparently me which judges a person's ethics by
whether they return a shopping cart to its designated cart
corral or deposit area. So, in simple terms, people refer
to it as the ultimate litmus test you can't say
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the word for whether a person is capable of self governing,
or the apex example of whether a person will do
what is right without being forced to do it. So
if you do it, you're good. If you don't, you're bad.
And we don't care about the situation or the context
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or yeah exactly. Okay, so that's kind of the context
of the shopping cart Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Here's our first comment. This is from Casey. I love
how people's pictures are up.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Now have I have I saved all of them in
case we get banned again? You know, it's like a
three hundred and fifty page word document Oh my gosh. Okay,
Casey said, as a dad, I try setting a good
example by putting it away. And my late father once
taught me, if you're oh, there's a lot of typos.
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If you're too big to do something small, you or
he's not putting in apostrophes, you're too small to do
something big, And that really stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think that this person actually said it truth but.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
But isn't that beautiful that it's a man that's I'm
sure he's white by the name Casey, and his kids
are probably not in the car. So I'm going to
say that his late pops gave it a beautiful sound bite,
and then it does not apply, So go counsel.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Okay, we have envy music videos.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
There's someone we could look up.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
You're good because you have a reason. The shopping cart
test is for men. A mother doesn't need to risk
her or child safety. Nobody should judge you unless they
are just shit.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think they also said that, and I have for check.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
I agree clearly we have like the not so horrible comments. Okay,
let's jump to oh this is from a leslie. Okay,
all right, people who.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Don't return their carts.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Are those who only care about themselves, don't worry about
other people's cars or the employees who have to chase
the cart down because you left it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's all about you after all.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Oh my god, great name, terrible comment.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
So they are telling so that's a true comment. But
they are just like trolling me. Yeah, okay. We've got
Jose saying you must be a bit slow for somebody
who has doctor in their username.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That's fine, that's that's another true comment.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
And there's so many typos, there's no period, there's no grammar.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Oh my gosh, By the way, how much did you
enjoy the your education minister sending trolling messages to Harvard
and the Harvard University professor just marking it up and
sending it on the internet for all to see. Die hilarious.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's how I respond to these comments, like I don't.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
I don't want there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
All I do is I rewrite their hate speech and
I correct it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
And what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Be like really, yeah, thank you? I will go die
in a shopping card. Wonderful.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Savvy with a smiley face says, as a worker at
a small retail store. I don't feel safe either in
my dark, large parking lot where I have to walk
around collecting carts with no cameras and men drinking beer.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
I'm gonna say that's also truth. But you choose to
work there, and maybe you should have different roles and
responsibilities you don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, so there, She's got a point, right, Like,
if you don't return your cart, who's going to return it? Right?
But people have jobs that do that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And also.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
It's usually during the daylight. The manager of the store
should be responsible for sending out a young woman in
the middle of the night to get the carts.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, no, absolutely, but that's also like and not again
not very Canadian of me, But that's not your problem. Like,
that is literally her job. She literally gets paid to
do that job. You're you know, it's kind of what
bothers me about self checkout. This is not my job.
I do not work at your grocery store. Yeah, I
do not want to check I got my own groceries.
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I want to put my shopping cart back, and I
always will when I can't, But when I cannot, I
won't and I will feel no shame thanks to you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Yeah, and also self checkout, and then they ask for
a tip like no, but yet still I have this
gut reaction of like, oh my god, I feel guilty
if I don't just give them in the ten percent?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
What is two dollars to me? But who am I
giving it to? The giant corporation?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
The AI, the robosts?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I know? Okay, um.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oh, here's one from a nice man named John Paul. Wait,
fuck off yourself. Have you ever tried having a brain before?
He that was misspelled b R A n E. It
would tell you to fuck off and bring your car back. Wow.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I think that's also true. I think there are people
that's dumb, that's happy.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes, all of these are true.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I pull okay, I just literally copy them from and
then one more neutral one. Now this is from an orthodontist.
So this is like a licensed doctor. I looked up
his web page. He's a human being.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
All the comments are still up on TikTok if anyone
wants to look. So this doctor says it's pretty easy
get groceries in the car. Again, he's this is full
of typos. Get groceries in the car? Have kids help?
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Space? Space Commas space space.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Then have a fun time showing your kids how to
return a cart and be a good person. Then put
your kid in the car.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
L Wow, my eight month old loves helping me return
the car.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The the narrow mindset of the comments and the inability
for people to think bigger than the seventeen second video,
and then this their justification of just throwing out such
strong hate comments that are full of projection and judgment.
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It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It is amazing. It's like you've left your dog in
the car for an hour in the heat, Like, yeah,
these two things are not the same.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
No, what did you think when you first saw the
video before.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Before we started talking?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, actually to tell you, and I'm sure maybe you've
seen it written in your comments. Maybe you haven't. I
admittedly have read through some of her comment when I
needed a good chuckle, because listening to stupid people is
quite funny. It honestly, I felt like it set me
free from an obligation that I had been conflicted over
and putting my children in you know, a moment's danger.
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And then some of other people too, saying hey, you know, actually,
if you park right beside the shopping cart that you
could do to great suggestion, one that I hadn't thought
about before. Usually, I want to park as close to
the door as I physically can because I'm crying, you know,
the baby bucket in one arm, and I'm trying to
make things quick, when actually, if I just park a
little bit close to the actual card itself, bingo bango,
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All done. But honestly, it was pretty liberating for me
to feel like, hey, there's actually like reasonable people out
there that it's so bizarre because it is a litmus test.
You're like, oh my god, if I leave my card here,
am I being an asshole? Who you have to think about?
Who being an asshole too is the most important? If
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I'm being an asshole to that woman who has got
to collect the carts at the end of the night,
I'm sorry, but my children I would like to be
an ass whole less two than you. Sorry about your
inconvenience you're being paid. My children are innocent sitting in
a car.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Right And who are all of these people when every
time you go to a parking lot there are carts
everywhere everywhere. Who are all the people saying that they
return their carts because nobody seems to I would.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I would say that I'd very rarely see a shopping
cart left out, especially in the suburbs, more in the yeah,
the big cities. But I don't feel I don't feel guilty.
Now if I'm in a suburban girl and I've even
left it there and someone looked at me, I'm like, sorry,
my kids are in the car. Do you want to
move it for me? Oh you don't? Ohkay, bye bye,
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thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
For me.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I found it very liberating, and that's that's what drew
me to your content. Was like, hey, we can have
these conversations about safety, and you've experienced so much in
your life, none of which I've experience. I've never worked,
you know, in a jail. I've never But I wanted
to be a forensic psychologist in university, but I certainly
never got to even the studying portion of it. I
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love true crime, so I don't know if that makes
me a doctor maybe, yeah, but a TikTok doctor, yeah exactly.
But it was very liberating to me to see, you know,
a movement where it's like, hey, let's be aware, let's
look at our surroundings, and let's not feel guilty. About
stupid shit because exactly good shit inconsequential at the end
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of the day.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
And taking it to even a larger place. The fact
that this was like world news shows you the state
of our world, Like people needed to retreat from from
the heavy stuff and they had to.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Or maybe people will only had.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
The capacity to comment on something like this because they
don't have the capacity to comprehend what's happening in the
actual world.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Old, yeah, yeah, they need to pan out a little farther,
a little a little frightening. But this tends to be
something too that, like, you know, it's you live in
such a population dense country. It was so many different
types of people across the US. Very Canna's population wise
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is very very small. We're a very large physical mass,
but there's only the same amount of population as in California.
And you know, I would argue that the French Canadians
are different than the people from Vancouver, but not by
such an overwhelming degree. You know, in the US, you
guys have just so very very diverse types of people
(32:44):
and thoughts and feelings and politics and all the rest.
Very very and also very divisive. Like Americans argue more
Canadians are just like, man, you don't agree.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I know, Bye, what do you think that's about?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Why is it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean, it is like it is so incredibly divisive
here on about everything.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I don't really know. I don't know if it's cultural
where Canadians have just been raised to have conversations and sure,
I mean we fight as much as Americans do, but
it's just not we don't seem to hold on to
our opinions with such conviction. I don't know, Like I'm
happy to be wrong. Prove it to me and most
(33:30):
of the people that I know. But but maybe that's
my circle of influence and I you know, I don't
know enough people. I don't know. I can't answer that.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
We'll be right back after this break, so.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
As we wrap up, I would love to hear.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Oh and I didn't read the one. God there was
one comment that I didn't read because it was so bad.
But it was like, get ready, I'm gonna put a
bullet in your head in your kid's huts.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's scary, Yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That was a really bad one.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
You know, like, how do you how do you not
be afraid to put out content? How do you not
be afraid to say something that people are not going
to agree with, especially when you have such a huge platform,
and not be afraid.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
But again, I think a lot of these people are
you know, they're just they're miserable and they're just finding
a keyboard warriors, finding a place to place their hate,
and it's really sad.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
I can't live.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
My life without morals and mission and know that, you know,
for some fucking reason, I can talk about gruesome shit
and people will listen. And if I was like some old,
fucking fat white dude, I don't think people would listen
in the same way. And that's why I think, like,
jury's listen to me because they're like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What you say?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
We just talked about a rectum hold on?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I'm just like giggling and like, but okay, So with
all that said, how do you what is your overall
view on being I mean, you're in the TikTok family,
so what is your overall view on that comment can
get so bad and can get so dark, and can
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stay up there and be allowed to kind of bully
people in that way.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah, it kind of goes back to what I said before.
I'm almost more for it than against it, And I
don't know if that sounds callous or I would just
probably know where the death threats are coming from and
that account linked and being able to go to the
police and say, here's this person, who is you know,
(35:59):
giving me death threats? To your point about those like
the cold threads, those are almost a little bit more
frightening because you know, they maybe they pose a thread.
They're not outright saying that, Kay, I'm gonna come shoot
you and your kids in the head. But I would
rather know who my enemies are. But that leads more
to my point about people being more strategic about when
(36:22):
you let your children use social media. You know, I'm
very much am of the mindset that no social media
until maybe your freefrontial cortex is closed. I don't know,
is it reasonable to think your child's never going to
go on social media before eighteen to twenty one? Probably not.
But you know, there's a reason that TikTok's age is
thirteen as a minimum, and there's a reason that they're
(36:46):
working more and more. And I don't mean to sound like,
you know, an advocate for TikTok, you know, but they're
working on making sure that the comment sections are being
monitored like children should have monitoring, and the apps that
are coming out to monitor your children's phones, and the
negative and positive sentiment controls that exist when your child's
(37:07):
texting another human to alert the parents, Hey, your child's
being bullied. You know, it's happening online more and more
and more, and offline less and less, because like you said,
people are you know, keyboard warriors. But I think the
comment section should exist for adults, and I think that
we just need to be more responsible with how our
(37:28):
children use social media so that the true form of
freedom of speech isn't influencing. They're very influenceable brains. And
I know it's a very unpopular opinion, So no.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
I think it's an amazing perspective. It's an amazing perspective.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
And again, people, people especially in America, are fed you know,
fed ideologies, are fed propaganda, fed news, whatever you want
to call it, and they just believe it.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
They don't question it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So, I mean, so it's refreshing to hear your perspective.
I mean, we literally are told that TikTok is going
to steal all of our information.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I mean, I still can't believe.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
The day TikTok got close in America, but all of
you guys, everyone else in the world, everyone could see
us as our counts.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Well, the more embarrassing thing was all these admissions that
these TikTok influencers were giving as they thought their worlds
were collapsing. To me, honestly, I think that I don't
think I can get in any trouble for this. I
think it was a bit of a stunt, to be honest.
I think it was meant to make Trump look like
you could come in and save the day. I'm not
saying that TikTok colluded with Trump to make that sell.
(38:41):
That's not what I'm saying at all. I think, you know,
companies were just like, okay, well, if you're gonna shut
us down, then shut us down. Like it's a lot
of posturing, and then it allowed Trump to come and
save the day. Ultimately. You know, you and I talked
about this before, the whole thing about it being a
Chinese company and all the rest of it, I mean
(39:01):
technically to Singaporean company. And yes it's owned by a
Chinese hold co. But so are microchips, so are the
SIM cards in your phone, So are the batteries in
your tesla. I mean, you know, it's it's a little
bit asinine in my opinion, that we're worried that China
(39:23):
is going to steal our brains from the TikTok apps
where ninety percent of people are just dancing and having
fun and spreading joy and creativity. It's not it's you know,
TikTok was always meant to be a happy platform and
a dancing platform, and you know, again inspiring creativity and
imagination and all these really wonderful things. China's not stealing that.
(39:50):
And maybe I'm naive, you know, I leave room for that.
I'm not in the tech industry anymore. But it just
it doesn't doesn't make sense. And also what's happening with
They're on trial again right now, Like what's happening with Google?
Like if you think our data is being collected by China,
maybe we should be worried about what data is being
collected by all of your apps. I mean, you and
(40:10):
I talk on the phone and then all of a sudden,
I'm getting an AD the next day with literal physical
verbiage that we didn't type, that we only talked about,
that's not from China, no, except tick talk.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But it's so great to have a conversation about it
and like just put the different perspectives out there. And
I think American Americans are well one.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We don't get.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
News about the rest of the world, right, We just hear, right,
you know, like we I think we're just gonna buy Canada.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You guys have a price.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
Never that will never happen. Never.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But we don't hear about other countries, and we sure
as fuck don't hear about other countries' perspectives of us.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Yeah, and I think you know, one thing that that
Carney's speech really did a good job of I thought
was him saying, like, listen, we love Americans. We just
don't love American politics, and we don't like what the
politicians are doing to the relationship between Canadian politics and
US politics. I still love all my Canadian or American
(41:22):
friends just as much as before. And to your point,
my friends are calling me in the US and saying like, hey,
are we the laughing stock of the universe. I'm like,
I mean, it's not right. It's not a good look
what Trump is doing to and it's not the Americans
that are the laughing stock. It's American politics that is
the laughing stock. I mean, this guy is accepting four
(41:45):
hundred million dollar plane, billion dollar plane than great. Yeah
you heard of the Trojan Horse? No one, anyone? Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
What he said was he would be stupid, not too stupid.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I think we became the laughing stock. You know when
Arnold came into office, because I was in England at
the time and everybody was like, is this a stunt?
Speaker 3 (42:11):
I was like, no, no, no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
No.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know what, we like characters running our government.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I would teach Schwarzenegger for president over your current administration.
But that's just me.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Maybe we could change the rule and I could be
the president. I know I wasn't born there, but we
changed that rule. Yeah, okay, final thoughts, I give us
a call to action.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh well, actually I wanted to ask you about AI
because you were kind of a specialist and like, what
do we need to work like look out for in
terms of keeping our families safe with all this craziness
because very soon the videos are going to be very believable,
whether it's given from any social media app or the
(43:03):
news or I mean, like, how are you dealing with
that in your practice? How do we deal with that
as mothers and parents? And you know, give me the
shopping cart spin on this? What do we do?
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I mean, I think there's a lot of we need
to keep things old school in a way, like we
should keep printed photos, We should keep our identification in
a non burn bag, right, an antifier.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Bag, Like we really should.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Go back to the nineteen fifties and make sure that
we have everything a foundation laid out in that way
and be able to prove when like when there are
deep fakes or when our images are used and it
can be anyone, right, they're gonna it will be everyone soon.
It won't just be people putting themselves out there, right
that you can take a four year old's picture and
(43:55):
morph them into an eighteen year old and then use
that for somebody's fake. I mean, so keeping records and
documentation is a safety and security measure and keeping it offline,
and there are some really good apps that are encrypted
where you can start to keep things secure in private.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
To try that.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, Signal is a great app.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
If you don't show the whole world the government secrets.
But I think you know, realizing that even if you
think you're just putting up one picture and it was
one time, you're giving You're giving the internet access to
your child, and those images can be stored and morphed
(44:45):
and and they can track the growth of your child
over time and use it to then eventually become whatever
child they want to be, whatever adult.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
They want to be. Right season amazing. I mean you
sent me a video of.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
You, of your wedding photo and you were dancing and
it was like AI generated.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, it's incredible, but it's also really really scary, and
we have to be able to prepare for the worst,
but we don't want to live in fear at the
same time, So if we can prepare in a way
that makes us comfortable and grounded and limit our online exposure,
like these celebrities who are showing their homes, Yeah, there's
(45:32):
just so much where you can find them.
Speaker 3 (45:36):
The other trend, if you recall, was the children holding
that really cute poster board with the child's school name
and their teacher's name and their favorite color and what
they want to be when they grow up, and basically
avoiding any safe word that a stranger may use, like oh,
your mom told me that your favorite color is green
(45:57):
and that you're two, or your teacher missus bab I
said it's okay for me to pick you up. I
thought that was again one of those moments where you
just don't think about it and you're posting this really innocent,
really wonderful moment that it really is not Internet sharable,
and that's a lesson for me.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
I mean, AI in itself is a predator, right, and
it gives predators more ways to leverage predatory things. And
you know, most crimes are impulsive, but many are very instrumental,
and they they play out for a long time, and
criminals build on things that they like. I mean, look
(46:40):
at Sean Colmes and the trial. You know, he definitely
grew into himself over the years and he started to
have a taste and a style and an enterprise and
everybody was coming on. Not to say come, but everybody
was like joining.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Pardon the not pardon, but.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
It's so awesome. I mean, just you know, talk to
your family, talk to your friends, check yourself, just check yourself,
see where you're at. And also hire one of those
companies reputation defender. There's all these companies Delete me that's
what the FBI uses, I think, and they'll just scan
the internet. They'll just make sure your address isn't out there,
and they'll just keep checking to see that you're not
on the dark Web, and they can even check for photos,
(47:21):
photos of you and your kids.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
So then that's my actionable takeaway is to do what
I'm going to do and what I'm committed to doing,
which is taking my kids down from social media. And
the other thing too is I saw a photo that
I posted, again super innocently, of my family standing in
front of my home and my not my name of
(47:45):
my street, but my street number was on our home
in the background. And it was another one of those
moments that was like, oh my gosh, and it's completely accidental.
So you know, you ask me what my action item is,
it would be to do what I'm doing and you know,
realize the harm that's out there and protect your children
(48:11):
not just in your shopping carts but online.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
So yeah, And it's amazing to hear you say that,
you know, married to the president of TikTok, Canada.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I mean, even with his.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Job, we all have to be equally aware and the
CEOs of our own lives and families.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Yeah, yeah, and if anything, we should actually be more
vigilant about it because we understand the inherent risk. But
I think we just convince ourselves that, oh, if I
keep my account private and I only have these people
following me, that that's safe and that they're safe, and
that we're safe. But that's not the truth.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Unfortunately, sadly, no, hackers are really really good, and there
will will be a time in your life where you
are the target of hacking. I mean, all us experienced
following accounts we didn't choose to follow after the election,
even private accounts. So yeah, oh, I'm so glad that
(49:17):
you took this time to go into the TikTok studio,
have an amazing setup and background and then have it
epically fail and nothing worked, and now you're in like
a closet. I am going to clause in your cell
phone on myself.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
But here we are made it happen see technology.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
Thank you for so far that's true. Yeah, that's very true. Well,
thank you for having me. It's so fun to chat
with you always, and like you said, from being just
a follower to a friend who has been a fun journey.
So thank you. For your advice along the way, and
I look forward to lots more laughing at your President.
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