May 29, 2025 • 33 mins
To slash emissions fast, the formula is simple: electrify everything and clean up the grid. But in practice, progress is slowed by all sorts of bottlenecks — from arcane permitting processes to sky-high electricity costs.
This week on Zero, Akshat Rathi sits down with producer Oscar Boyd to spotlight a surprising culprit slowing the transition: a global shortage of transformers, and why it has industry insiders so worried. This episode kicks off Bottlenecks, a new series exploring the lesser known obstacles standing in the way of our electrified future.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Zero. I'm Akshadarrati. This week Bottlenecks. Today we're
going to start a new series which we are calling Bottlenecks,
(00:23):
and the first episode is about why we are working
on this series for Bloombergreen and about the first story
that I wrote for it to help me set out
the series. Zero's producer, Oscar Boyd will be asking me
the questions instead. Welcome Oscar. Hello, Aksha, thank you for
lending me your chair for today. So for as long
as I've.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Known you, you've really nerded out over electrification and its
role in decarbonizing everything around us. I remember back to
one of the first ever episodes we made of Zero together,
and that was you trying to explain to me that
inner workings of a battery at some atomic level. And
I remember first out of the job thinking, I've been
off way, way, way more than I can chew here.
(01:02):
And I think I can safely say that your interest
in electrification has only grown as it's become more and
more apparent that electrification is the way forward for so
much of the clean tech story. And now you and
other colleagues at Bloomberg Green have started the series called Bottonex.
Do you want to start just by explaining what the
series is about.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So it's not like it's a new thing. Electrify everything
has been a mantra that's been used by many climate
people for quite a few years. And there's a really
good reason for why, because when you use electricity and
you use electrical devices, you're typically very efficient at converting
energy into productive outcome, whether that's moving your car, heating
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your home, powering a data center, which is only something
you can do with electricity, but you can do it
very efficiently. And you have to decarbonize electricity. So if
you can electrify the economy and have all these renewable
energy sources zero carbon so that are becoming cheaper and
more widely acceptable, happens simultaneously you start to decarbonize the world.
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And that's a really, really crucial way in which we
can solve majority of the climate problem.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And we are doing both of those things. But break
it down to me, maybe we can start first with
the decobonizing of the electricity sector. How are we doing
in regards to that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So this is something we've talked about on the show
so many times. In twenty twenty four, the world spent
two point one trillion dollars on clean energy and the
energy transition. Vast majority of that money went into decarbonizing electricity.
That's building huge solar plants and wind farms, but also
strengthing the grid because if you don't do that, we
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can get things like the Spanish blackout. And sure, the
politics have shifted a little bit in twenty twenty five
with Donald Trump in the White House, and so we
might see a slowdown in places like the US where
policies will be rolled back, or even like the UK
where and off your wind farm was canceled because it
was too expensive to build. But overall, we do know
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that decarbonizing electricity is on a momentum that will continue.
It's not the same on electrifying everything.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And when we're saying electrify everything, that's really like the
objects that we use in our everyday life. The object's
industry use as well, things like electric cars to replace
fossil fuel engines, things like electric art furnaces to replace
blast furnaces which would typically be powered by coal. Things
like that. That's what we're talking about when we say
electrify everything.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, very much so, but also things that aren't typically
on people's horizons. So electrifying heating because a lot of
energy that is used not just in homes through heat pumps,
but in industry. To run industrial processes requires a very
hot steam, for example, and you could now build electric
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heaters that are essentially very big heat pumps to do that.
Or you could start to electrify planes. Initially planes going
over short distances, but eventually even longer distances could be electrified.
So there's a whole host of things that we do
know we can move away from burning stuff to using
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clean electrons.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
On the electro five everything front, you've said that electric
devices are more efficient, they're better at converting energy into
the final output do you actually want? And normally efficiency
ultimately eventually leads to things being cheaper, and if they're cheaper,
you think people would actually want these things. Also, you
get the nice side effect of no pollution. So surely
case made, job done. WHI aren't these things taking off exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
This is something I've scratched my head over so many times.
There's this fantastic ad that was put out by one
of the electrical appliance makers I think sometime in the
last century. Where you see people going about an office
or a home using devices which we use with electricity,
but instead having like a little internal combustion engine. So
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when you're making coffee, you actually kick on a little
engine that's burning fuel, that's producer in pollution, and you're
getting your coffee. On the side. You're doing the same
thing for your printer. You're doing the same thing to
run your computer. It's bizarre, right, we want electricity because
it's just a convenient way of using energy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You're not having to look after a two stroke diesel
engine every time you want to use your.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Printing, right, not having enough mechanics to fix your things.
But you're right if that is the case. We want convenience,
and these devices are efficient, which means they ought to
be saving money. Why aren't we electrifying everything at pace?
And the answer is complicated. On the one hand, electricity
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itself is a much more complicated source of energy to manage.
It's difficult to understand how it moves and how it
fails when it does right. We've had these two blackouts recently,
one at heat Throw one in Spain, and we still
don't know weeks on what exactly happened. In those places,
so it's complicated. It's difficult to store. We know that
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energy storage is such a crucial aspect of the energy
transition that hasn't been solved, and rising of electricity sadly
still remains a real challenge. So many places, like here
in the UK, electricity is far too expensive to actually
make the efficiency also make it cheaper. So all these combinations,
which are also bottlenecks, need to be sorted to make
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the economic case for electrifying everything really land.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, so you've wiped out those all these buttlenecks, but
you're not the first person to discover these, surely.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So we know that bottlenecks to electrifying. There are some
real physical challenges that we talked about, but also just
bureaucratic challenges. Right getting permissions to build solar plants or
transmission lines is getting harder and harder in most countries,
not just in Western rich countries. We know that building
these electrical infrastructure requires up front capital which isn't always available,
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especially when interest rates are very high or the stock
market is doing funny things as it has done over
the past few months. Those are things that people have
identified as bottlenecks that need to be resolved their complex
solutions to them. But there are all these other little ones,
or perhaps little seen ones, that are also holding back electrification,
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things like making a particular device just in the sheer
numbers that we need to build them today, but there's
not enough manufacturing capacity or training the people that we
need to be able to go out and build this infrastructure.
And so this series is about the less obvious bottlenecks
to electrifying everything.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And I suppose there's also quite a lot of the
nurser in the system. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For quite a few decades, you know, electricity has been
basically plateaued in most countries. It's not been seen as
this exciting sector of the economy that we need more
money and time and skills into, so things haven't been
built for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's particularly true in Western economies, in the US, in Europe.
In the US, electricity demand has been pretty much flat,
maybe slightly rising over the past three decades. In Europe
it's actually been declining. But places like India and China,
which have seen five to ten percent annual electricity growth,
those guys face very different bottlenecks. Their challenges aren't the
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same ones as the Europeans and the Americans face. And
now with the rise of these devices from electric cars,
to heat pumps, to data centers, and this movement to
electrify everything, finally US and Europe are seeing electricity demand
rise quickly and that is also creating bottlenecks.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So let's moves on to the subject today's episode, our
first episode of the Bottleneck series on Zero, where we'll
be discussing an article that you recently wrote and published.
Do you want to introduce the subject rise?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I started looking at these things called transformers, their
devices on the grid that are crucial to make the
grid work. And I've been working on figuring out just
why are they bottlenecks, What is holding them back? Why
are people in the industry worried about it? But nobody
in the public knows. And then about a week before
I was supposed to publish the article about this bottleneck,
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there was a serious outage in London near the Heathrow
Airport that brought down the airport for nearly twenty four hours,
cost sixty million pounds worth of loss for a single
device that blew up, which was a transformer. I had
my notifications blow up because of all these people I
was talking to about transformers, and they were saying, hey,
(09:36):
have you seen this? Hey have you seen this? And
it's a coincidence that I wasn't expecting, but it kind
of makes the point. Transformers are a bottleneck to maintaining electricity,
not just growing the grid.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So transformers were suddenly huge international news because, of course,
heather is the UK's largest airport. It's one of the
largest airports in Europe. I think a thousand flights were
canceled that day and at least one hundred thousand passengers
were left stranded, And suddenly everyone was thinking about transformers,
as you say, this incredibly important bit of electrical infrastructure.
But before we continue, before we get too deep into this,
(10:11):
you know, when you say transformers, the first thing that
pops into my mind is Optimus Prime doing his battle
against the Scepticons.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Everyone, everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That would make for a very different discussion to the
one we're about to have. So when you were talking
about transformers, what exactly do you mean? Can you paint
a little bit of a picture of the size, the
scale the thing that we are talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, let me take even one more step back because
the reason we use transformers is that we are all
using alternating current. This is ACY, this is AC, and
it is something we don't think about on a day
to day basis. But about a century and a bit ago,
there was actually a war of currents between the famous
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inventor Thomas Edison and a less famous but pretty important inventor,
George Westinghouse, and they were going head to head. It
was actually Edison who wanted DC direct current, and it
was Westinghouse who was pushing AC. We live in Westinghouses world,
even though Edison is the more famous one. And the
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reason that AC one out is because at that time
the technology to move power over long distances could only
be pulled off using alternating current. And the reason that
could happen is because of transformers. Transformers are these devices
that convert the voltage that an electricity travels at. Either
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they increase it or they decrease it. Now, voltage is
a very weird concept to get your head around, but
the best way to think about it is to think
of a waterfall. The height of the waterfall is the
voltage at which the electricity is traveling, and the amount
of waterfalling through it is the current that is going
through the cable at the moment, and so current and
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voltage are very important characteristics of electricity. They are inversely proportional,
which means if you increase the voltage, you can decrease
the current, or vice versa. And when you're traveling long distances,
you actually want electricity to travel with low currents, so
there's low resistance, so there's low losses. But at high
voltage that's what is possible, and transformers are the objects
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that make that possible.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And the reason this is important is because the way
the electricity system works is that at different points in
the electricity system you want different voltages because different voltages
allow those specific parts of the system to work at
their optimum. So at home in the UK, at least,
we want two hundred and thirty volts higher than that,
and all your computers, your HiPhones, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Would probably fry bingo.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
At power plants, like a gas powerplant, you're producing electricity
to get a few thousand volts. Set a solar plant
at a few hundred volts, but that's in a way
too low to actually move it long distances. So right
at the powerplant there's a big transformer, it's called a
step up transformer that takes it from a few hundred
earth thousand wolves to maybe even hundreds of thousands of volts.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And this is to send it then through the cables
that we think of as transmission lines.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Those big pylons that you see when you're traveling outside
on a highway. They'll take that power hundreds of kilometers
away at that high voltage while losing very little of
the energy that electricity is carrying at that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let's just pose there for a second. If that electricity
going through the cables was at a much lower voltage
and a higher current, what would happen.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So that is the problem that Edison faced. If you
had direct current at that time, there was no way
to increase the voltage of direct current to a very
high level. You could only actually take it a few
miles out. All your power will be lost just in
the transporting of that electricity to that distance. AC overcomes
that problems and makes it possible not just hundreds of
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kilometers but thousands of kilometers.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But these days we have hv DC cables, so high
voltage direct current cables that run thousand kilometers under the
see they exist. Do they not overcome this problem?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They do, and in fact we have come round to
what Thomas Edison wanted to happen. And in fact HVDC
is even more efficient than AC. But I think we
should save that for another discussion because that gets into
a weird territory of technical points about why exactly the
technology to make high voltage direct current took so long
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to be developed.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, so today we'll park HVDC cables to the side
and step on transformers. So you said there were step
up transformers which increased the voltage, and then you've got
step down transformers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
So what does that do?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A step down transformer does what it says on the tin.
It lowers the voltage because after the electricity has traveled
hundreds of kilometers at hundreds of thousands of volts, it
needs to be brought down to the level that it
could be used in electrical devices on a day to
day basis, which is typically one hundred two hundred volts
depending on where you are in the world.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Tell me what does the transformer look like?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, it's like weird shaped and all size shaped, so
it could be as small as a trash can. Size
device which is hung up on a pole outside your home.
Many people see it never realize it's a transformer. Or
it could be the size of a shipping container and
so heavy that you need not just one truck, but
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several trucks and several hundred tires to be able to
carry such a device. So transformers look weird metal boxes
with weird things sticking out of them, of all kinds
of sizes. And I can guarantee you if you have
walked in a city, any city in the world, you
have at one point passed a transformer without realizing that
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there was one. We know, in numbers, at least in
the US there are something like eighty million small transformers,
which means one for every four or five people in America.
There are also transformers of crazy number of varieties. So
one estimate from the US Department of Energy was there
eighty thousand models of transformers just in the US, and
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I really couldn't wrap my head around it. So the
nearest comparison I could find is that is as much
as every unique car model ever manufactured.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean that's huge. Eighty thousand different models of transformers.
Why are there's so many different varieties I would expect,
you know, if they're necessary everywhere, you would just say, okay,
we need a big one, a medium one, and a
small one. Let's just mass produce those and we're done
with it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, exactly. And this is the difficulty of electricity. What
happens is that the grid behaves in different ways depending
on the size and the location where power is moving from,
where it's being generated, where it's being consumed. And so
what ended up happening was to manage the grid, electrical
engineers came up with those specific transformers needed at that
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node in the grid, and it worked like magic, and
so they just kept building these customized transformers for these
specific places. So, yes, there is some standardization on the
small transformers, but on the large transformers, there's just whatever
is needed at that point in the grid. And it
is really becoming a problem because if you need to
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have a custom build transformer, you need to have a
custom maker of that transformer somewhere taking your order and
working on your specific needs. There is a movement that
is happening around the industry to try and standardize the transformer.
But the electricity industry, which is the other thing I
learned reporting this story is just really very conservative. It's
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actually not like the oil and gas industry, which takes
on these risks and tries to share or tries to
figure out how to compress things in a more efficient way.
Has these large companies who wanted to throw money at
R and D. Electricity companies for the most part, are
either state owned or heavily regulated by the government and
are just wanting to make sure things work and there
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are no blackouts, and they are really conservative. So if
something's working, like a custom made transformer, let's keep going
that way, please.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
How bad in terms of the timeline to get a
transformer delivered? Has this shortage become.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So you could have got a large power transformer which
is custom made in a year's time, fifteen months, eighteen months.
That's now doubled or tripled in some cases. So three
to five years for a large power transformer is pretty
common these days, and that's a real challenge for anybody
planning a power plant. A solar power plant at most
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takes six months twelve months to put together, but if
a transformer can't be secured for three or five years,
the energy transition gets delayed.
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Speaker 2 (19:17):
You say they're everywhere. They're crucial to maintaining our entire
electricity system. And now we have this huge demand for electricity.
Surely that's prime conditions for there to be a boom
in the manufacture of transformers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes, So when I asked the question to industry experts,
they said, the difficulty has been that the transformer industry
has gone through a boom and bus cycle that has
made them really conservative. So companies like G E. Vanova,
Hitachi Energy, these are big, giant, multi billion dollar companies
in the world that make all kinds of infrastructure, but
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they saw the transformer business not be as profitable as
they had expected. So around the late tooth thousands, there
was a growth in electricity demand and transformer makers just
like now, saw that they needed to boost their manufacturing
to be able to keep up with that demand and
to be able to make more profits, and so they
started investing in this manufacturing capacity, and of course then
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the financial crisis came and all that demand that was
expected disappeared and those investments turned sour and they made
a bunch of losses. So this time around, when they
are seeing this electricity demand rise, they're saying, wait a minute,
maybe it's there, maybe it's not there in the future.
We aren't ready yet to make the investments needed, unless,
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of course governments want to subsidize that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And as part of your reporting, you actually went to
one of these transformer factories in the town of Stafford,
which is just north of Birmingham in England. What was
it like in this factory.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's the only transformer factory left in the UK, so
I was lucky at least there's one I could go to.
He was a stunning place. So Stafford has a history
of actually making electrical infra structure for well over one
hundred years.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Huge factory.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I mean you go inside, and I mean inside factories,
but like this. The scale of this one was just enormous,
floor to ceiling, probably seven eight floors, all empty space
because you need to have equipment that's moving around.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
When we ship a large transformer on one of these transporters,
we actually have police escort all the way to L's.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We are quickause of their weight time.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, typically three hundred tons something like that, three hundred
and fifty tons.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So yeah, the transformers that they made at this factory
are a very large power transformers. They're use typically to
take electricity that is coming from offshore wind farms and
then brought on shore, so they're handling electricity at hundreds
of thousands of volts and making them is really interesting
because it goes through this process that requires engineering precision
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for each component in the device. And we had the
operations your Jeevan Nova. Eduardo Villar tell us it's not
like making a bottle. There are thousands of parts in
a transformer.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
How many of these big transformers are they making a
year a We're talking hundreds, we're talking one thousands.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, it's a factory that is getting expanded right now
and is going to increase its capacity by fifty percent,
and by the end of it, it's going to be
able to make about three dozen transformers a year, so
thirty six, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So I want to try and ground this a little
bit in I guess people's more everyday experience of transformers
you know, we have these challenges going on behind the scenes,
but obviously most of us don't think about transformers and
how they're used. So what are some of the real
impacts of this shortage of transformers.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So Heathrow actually brought this home really well. Right, if
you get a transformer blowing up and you get the
spare one as it happened in Heathrow's case, also going
down at the same time, well you get a black cut.
That is an extreme scenario. In most cases, what a
shortage of transformers is doing is just slowing down the
building of electrical infrastructure, and that's increasing costs. So your
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hyperscalers as they are known these days, that data center
companies or the tech companies that want data centers just
want data centers and they want it to day. But
if they're not transformers, they can't get the power coming
at the right voltages that they need, and they're going
to have to wait, which means they're going to lose
out on business, or they're going to lose out to
a competitor, or they just have to pay through the
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nose to kick somebody out in another waiting list and
get that transformer at whatever price.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
They can.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It happened earlier this year when Microsoft signed a contract
to get a nuclear power plant in the US restarted.
That nuclear power plant is a giant one. It requires
a giant transformer, and the company that is going to
restart that plant was willing to pay one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
One hundred million dollars for a transformer a typical transfer
cost of heater going down for a day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yes, and the trust the cost of a typical transformer,
the highest that I could ask industry expert has been
about two million, three million dollars. So somebody is willing
to pay thirty times as much just to make sure
that they have the right device in the right place.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And one of the things I think that was really
interesting in your article is you talked about the lack
of spares in the industry. So it's not just you know,
for people who are building new projects. It's that when
things go down now, there isn't the infrastructure to replace
the transformers that have broken. And this has a really
interesting intersection with climate as we're seeing more extreme weather events.
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So in your PC talked about the impacts of Hurricane
Helene when it hit eastern Tennessee last year, and how
that actually took out a bunch of transformers and they've
had a really tough time replacing those.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yes, we know that extreme weather events are having all
sorts of impacts on infrastructure, and electrical infrastructure is of
course everywhere and very exposed. We had another example that
we found in Kentucky where a cyclone took down the
electrical infrastructure and the transformers along with it, and replacing
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them just took a lot longer. So the business park
in the Tennessee case couldn't get power for eight months,
and the houses that needed to be built in Kentucky
could not get power for many months afterwards. And utilities
are starting to manage that somehow by essentially hoarding transformers,
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having many more spares than would have been typically needed
had there been not this level of extreme weather event.
Or if you can't hold a transformer, you go begging.
As we learn from utilities that some of them just
go to their neighbors and be like, well, we need
it now, you have some spares, can we get them now?
We'll fill your banks later, And sometimes the neighborly utility
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is friendly enough to give you one, So he said
it's taking five years now to get a large transformer.
But I assume a lot of that data was collected
pre global trade war. Has been the effect of tariffs
on transformers. Yes, the data is pre tariff wars. We
do know one thing that tariffs are already making transformers
more expensive because a lot of the transformers, especially in
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the US eighty percent of the transformers are imported, and
those contracts on imports are linked to the commodity price
of steel, because a lot of the transformer is just steel.
And so as soon as the price of steel goes up,
because you've got these startifs, the price of a transformer
goes up, the price of what the utility is paying
is going up, and thus the price of electricity is
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going up, all sorts of downstream impacts. Experts told me
that they expect that if the tariff wars continue, we'll
get a longer timeline on transformers. But it's also a
dynamic system. Maybe it forces people to actually finally make
the decision on building bigger factories like Jieva Nova's doing
here in the UK.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And you mentioned still there. That's also another problem, sourcing
this very specific type of steel that's used in transformers,
which is called grain orted electric steel goes.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, it's a very funny acronym, and there are quite
a few of those in the electrical world. But steel
in general is what transformers need. Obviously, the steel on
the outside, that is what most people see. That's pretty
standard steel. You can get it wherever you want. But
the steel that goes inside is a very specific kind.
So yes, transformers are all different sizes from trash cans
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to shipping containers, but the components inside the transformer, each
of them are pretty standard. So you have a core
which is made out of this grain oriented steel, and
there is a global shortage of enough people making that
type of steel. There are two sets of copper cables
that are attached on this core, So you need copper,
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you need steel, and you need them to be built
in a very specific way for the need of the grid.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So I imagine one way we can get around the
shortage would be hopefully technological improvements. Are we seeing many
developments in the channel form a space when it comes
to improving their efficiency or the amount of steel you
need or copper or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So the core technology for transformers is one hundred years old.
There have been small developments that have made it more
efficient over the years, but there have been all things
on the edges. There hasn't been any fundamental invention that
has become commercial on transformers. That is not to say
those don't exist. There are all these ideas where you
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could get a transformer that could be trucked to a
site when it's needed and it's not custom built for
that location, but it could be adjusted to meet the
needs of that specific spot. Or there are these new
types of transformers called solid state transformers, which are much
more compact that also do not need to be custom built.
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It could be programmed to work for the voltages that
are needed on the grid. But those are all things
that are technologies that haven't yet been come up visualized
because the industry that uses these transformers are very conservative
about trying new technology. But again, this kind of shortage
is exactly the point that will cause enough stress on
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the system and get people moving to perhaps try some
of these technologies out. That's what Benjamin Boucher, a senior
analyst for Wood McKenzie, told me that it's going to
be a long battle. Technology is not going to come
to save us in the shortages that we are facing today.
It's just going to take years, probably five years before
we see any of this bottleneck actually be resolved.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But these are crucial parts of our energy infrastructure, and
people are not going to be happy if there are
widespread blackouts across their cities, their countries. Isn't it in
the interest of governments to step in to get things
rolling here?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and the industry has been trying to get governments
to step up. Not all places are willing. As we know,
government budgets are stretched. They're cutting down eight budgets in
Western economies, but a couple of countries that we found
in our reporting have shown how this could be done.
So Germany is underwriting many of the transformer purchases by
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telling the makers of transformers that look, increasing your manufacturing capacity,
We'll make sure if this utility here in Germany isn't
buying it, we the government will buy your transformer, so
that certainty gives them the ability to actually plan out.
The other one is Canada, which is also supporting just
manufacturing sites. That's allowed Hitachi Energy to actually expand a
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Canadian factory while it had to shut down one in America.
So governments can come into the fray, but reporting the story,
it's just that transformers that these boring devices nobody thinks
about unless somebody raises the alarm. And I just don't
think that alarm has risen high enough at the level
that governments all around the world are waking up to
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what is a real, real challenge.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And those are Western countries I want to bring into
the room China, because China is making leaps and bounds
in its electrification, are they facing the same problems or
have they factored in the need for transformers into their
electricity boom.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So this is the story of places which have seen
five to ten percent electricity growth on an annual basis,
that they don't see the same level of disruption or
difficulty that Western economies are seeing. So in India's case, yes,
there has been a little increase in the delivery times
for transformers, is nothing like the tripling that we saw
in the US. For example, In China, there is no shortage.
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Is the country that is making enough of them to
export to other countries. And if Western economies want to
catch up with China on the race to build AI,
on the race to electrify their auto sector, they are
going to have to step up on the Transformer game.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Actually, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
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Welcome to Zero. I'm Akshadarrati. This week Bottlenecks. Today we're
going to start a new series which we are calling Bottlenecks,
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and the first episode is about why we are working
on this series for Bloombergreen and about the first story
that I wrote for it to help me set out
the series. Zero's producer, Oscar Boyd will be asking me
the questions instead. Welcome Oscar. Hello, Aksha, thank you for
lending me your chair for today. So for as long
as I've.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Known you, you've really nerded out over electrification and its
role in decarbonizing everything around us. I remember back to
one of the first ever episodes we made of Zero together,
and that was you trying to explain to me that
inner workings of a battery at some atomic level. And
I remember first out of the job thinking, I've been
off way, way, way more than I can chew here.
(01:02):
And I think I can safely say that your interest
in electrification has only grown as it's become more and
more apparent that electrification is the way forward for so
much of the clean tech story. And now you and
other colleagues at Bloomberg Green have started the series called Bottonex.
Do you want to start just by explaining what the
series is about.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So it's not like it's a new thing. Electrify everything
has been a mantra that's been used by many climate
people for quite a few years. And there's a really
good reason for why, because when you use electricity and
you use electrical devices, you're typically very efficient at converting
energy into productive outcome, whether that's moving your car, heating
(01:41):
your home, powering a data center, which is only something
you can do with electricity, but you can do it
very efficiently. And you have to decarbonize electricity. So if
you can electrify the economy and have all these renewable
energy sources zero carbon so that are becoming cheaper and
more widely acceptable, happens simultaneously you start to decarbonize the world.
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And that's a really, really crucial way in which we
can solve majority of the climate problem.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And we are doing both of those things. But break
it down to me, maybe we can start first with
the decobonizing of the electricity sector. How are we doing
in regards to that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So this is something we've talked about on the show
so many times. In twenty twenty four, the world spent
two point one trillion dollars on clean energy and the
energy transition. Vast majority of that money went into decarbonizing electricity.
That's building huge solar plants and wind farms, but also
strengthing the grid because if you don't do that, we
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can get things like the Spanish blackout. And sure, the
politics have shifted a little bit in twenty twenty five
with Donald Trump in the White House, and so we
might see a slowdown in places like the US where
policies will be rolled back, or even like the UK
where and off your wind farm was canceled because it
was too expensive to build. But overall, we do know
(03:07):
that decarbonizing electricity is on a momentum that will continue.
It's not the same on electrifying everything.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
And when we're saying electrify everything, that's really like the
objects that we use in our everyday life. The object's
industry use as well, things like electric cars to replace
fossil fuel engines, things like electric art furnaces to replace
blast furnaces which would typically be powered by coal. Things
like that. That's what we're talking about when we say
electrify everything.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, very much so, but also things that aren't typically
on people's horizons. So electrifying heating because a lot of
energy that is used not just in homes through heat pumps,
but in industry. To run industrial processes requires a very
hot steam, for example, and you could now build electric
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heaters that are essentially very big heat pumps to do that.
Or you could start to electrify planes. Initially planes going
over short distances, but eventually even longer distances could be electrified.
So there's a whole host of things that we do
know we can move away from burning stuff to using
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clean electrons.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
On the electro five everything front, you've said that electric
devices are more efficient, they're better at converting energy into
the final output do you actually want? And normally efficiency
ultimately eventually leads to things being cheaper, and if they're cheaper,
you think people would actually want these things. Also, you
get the nice side effect of no pollution. So surely
case made, job done. WHI aren't these things taking off exactly?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Mark?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
This is something I've scratched my head over so many times.
There's this fantastic ad that was put out by one
of the electrical appliance makers I think sometime in the
last century. Where you see people going about an office
or a home using devices which we use with electricity,
but instead having like a little internal combustion engine. So
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when you're making coffee, you actually kick on a little
engine that's burning fuel, that's producer in pollution, and you're
getting your coffee. On the side. You're doing the same
thing for your printer. You're doing the same thing to
run your computer. It's bizarre, right, we want electricity because
it's just a convenient way of using energy.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You're not having to look after a two stroke diesel
engine every time you want to use your.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Printing, right, not having enough mechanics to fix your things.
But you're right if that is the case. We want convenience,
and these devices are efficient, which means they ought to
be saving money. Why aren't we electrifying everything at pace?
And the answer is complicated. On the one hand, electricity
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itself is a much more complicated source of energy to manage.
It's difficult to understand how it moves and how it
fails when it does right. We've had these two blackouts recently,
one at heat Throw one in Spain, and we still
don't know weeks on what exactly happened. In those places,
so it's complicated. It's difficult to store. We know that
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energy storage is such a crucial aspect of the energy
transition that hasn't been solved, and rising of electricity sadly
still remains a real challenge. So many places, like here
in the UK, electricity is far too expensive to actually
make the efficiency also make it cheaper. So all these combinations,
which are also bottlenecks, need to be sorted to make
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the economic case for electrifying everything really land.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Okay, so you've wiped out those all these buttlenecks, but
you're not the first person to discover these, surely.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So we know that bottlenecks to electrifying. There are some
real physical challenges that we talked about, but also just
bureaucratic challenges. Right getting permissions to build solar plants or
transmission lines is getting harder and harder in most countries,
not just in Western rich countries. We know that building
these electrical infrastructure requires up front capital which isn't always available,
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especially when interest rates are very high or the stock
market is doing funny things as it has done over
the past few months. Those are things that people have
identified as bottlenecks that need to be resolved their complex
solutions to them. But there are all these other little ones,
or perhaps little seen ones, that are also holding back electrification,
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things like making a particular device just in the sheer
numbers that we need to build them today, but there's
not enough manufacturing capacity or training the people that we
need to be able to go out and build this infrastructure.
And so this series is about the less obvious bottlenecks
to electrifying everything.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And I suppose there's also quite a lot of the
nurser in the system. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
For quite a few decades, you know, electricity has been
basically plateaued in most countries. It's not been seen as
this exciting sector of the economy that we need more
money and time and skills into, so things haven't been
built for a while.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
That's particularly true in Western economies, in the US, in Europe.
In the US, electricity demand has been pretty much flat,
maybe slightly rising over the past three decades. In Europe
it's actually been declining. But places like India and China,
which have seen five to ten percent annual electricity growth,
those guys face very different bottlenecks. Their challenges aren't the
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same ones as the Europeans and the Americans face. And
now with the rise of these devices from electric cars,
to heat pumps, to data centers, and this movement to
electrify everything, finally US and Europe are seeing electricity demand
rise quickly and that is also creating bottlenecks.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
So let's moves on to the subject today's episode, our
first episode of the Bottleneck series on Zero, where we'll
be discussing an article that you recently wrote and published.
Do you want to introduce the subject rise?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So I started looking at these things called transformers, their
devices on the grid that are crucial to make the
grid work. And I've been working on figuring out just
why are they bottlenecks, What is holding them back? Why
are people in the industry worried about it? But nobody
in the public knows. And then about a week before
I was supposed to publish the article about this bottleneck,
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there was a serious outage in London near the Heathrow
Airport that brought down the airport for nearly twenty four hours,
cost sixty million pounds worth of loss for a single
device that blew up, which was a transformer. I had
my notifications blow up because of all these people I
was talking to about transformers, and they were saying, hey,
(09:36):
have you seen this? Hey have you seen this? And
it's a coincidence that I wasn't expecting, but it kind
of makes the point. Transformers are a bottleneck to maintaining electricity,
not just growing the grid.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
So transformers were suddenly huge international news because, of course,
heather is the UK's largest airport. It's one of the
largest airports in Europe. I think a thousand flights were
canceled that day and at least one hundred thousand passengers
were left stranded, And suddenly everyone was thinking about transformers,
as you say, this incredibly important bit of electrical infrastructure.
But before we continue, before we get too deep into this,
(10:11):
you know, when you say transformers, the first thing that
pops into my mind is Optimus Prime doing his battle
against the Scepticons.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Everyone, everyone.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That would make for a very different discussion to the
one we're about to have. So when you were talking
about transformers, what exactly do you mean? Can you paint
a little bit of a picture of the size, the
scale the thing that we are talking about.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, let me take even one more step back because
the reason we use transformers is that we are all
using alternating current. This is ACY, this is AC, and
it is something we don't think about on a day
to day basis. But about a century and a bit ago,
there was actually a war of currents between the famous
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inventor Thomas Edison and a less famous but pretty important inventor,
George Westinghouse, and they were going head to head. It
was actually Edison who wanted DC direct current, and it
was Westinghouse who was pushing AC. We live in Westinghouses world,
even though Edison is the more famous one. And the
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reason that AC one out is because at that time
the technology to move power over long distances could only
be pulled off using alternating current. And the reason that
could happen is because of transformers. Transformers are these devices
that convert the voltage that an electricity travels at. Either
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they increase it or they decrease it. Now, voltage is
a very weird concept to get your head around, but
the best way to think about it is to think
of a waterfall. The height of the waterfall is the
voltage at which the electricity is traveling, and the amount
of waterfalling through it is the current that is going
through the cable at the moment, and so current and
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voltage are very important characteristics of electricity. They are inversely proportional,
which means if you increase the voltage, you can decrease
the current, or vice versa. And when you're traveling long distances,
you actually want electricity to travel with low currents, so
there's low resistance, so there's low losses. But at high
voltage that's what is possible, and transformers are the objects
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that make that possible.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And the reason this is important is because the way
the electricity system works is that at different points in
the electricity system you want different voltages because different voltages
allow those specific parts of the system to work at
their optimum. So at home in the UK, at least,
we want two hundred and thirty volts higher than that,
and all your computers, your HiPhones, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Would probably fry bingo.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
At power plants, like a gas powerplant, you're producing electricity
to get a few thousand volts. Set a solar plant
at a few hundred volts, but that's in a way
too low to actually move it long distances. So right
at the powerplant there's a big transformer, it's called a
step up transformer that takes it from a few hundred
earth thousand wolves to maybe even hundreds of thousands of volts.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And this is to send it then through the cables
that we think of as transmission lines.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Those big pylons that you see when you're traveling outside
on a highway. They'll take that power hundreds of kilometers
away at that high voltage while losing very little of
the energy that electricity is carrying at that moment.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let's just pose there for a second. If that electricity
going through the cables was at a much lower voltage
and a higher current, what would happen.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So that is the problem that Edison faced. If you
had direct current at that time, there was no way
to increase the voltage of direct current to a very
high level. You could only actually take it a few
miles out. All your power will be lost just in
the transporting of that electricity to that distance. AC overcomes
that problems and makes it possible not just hundreds of
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kilometers but thousands of kilometers.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But these days we have hv DC cables, so high
voltage direct current cables that run thousand kilometers under the
see they exist. Do they not overcome this problem?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
They do, and in fact we have come round to
what Thomas Edison wanted to happen. And in fact HVDC
is even more efficient than AC. But I think we
should save that for another discussion because that gets into
a weird territory of technical points about why exactly the
technology to make high voltage direct current took so long
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to be developed.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Okay, so today we'll park HVDC cables to the side
and step on transformers. So you said there were step
up transformers which increased the voltage, and then you've got
step down transformers.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
So what does that do?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
A step down transformer does what it says on the tin.
It lowers the voltage because after the electricity has traveled
hundreds of kilometers at hundreds of thousands of volts, it
needs to be brought down to the level that it
could be used in electrical devices on a day to
day basis, which is typically one hundred two hundred volts
depending on where you are in the world.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Tell me what does the transformer look like?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh, it's like weird shaped and all size shaped, so
it could be as small as a trash can. Size
device which is hung up on a pole outside your home.
Many people see it never realize it's a transformer. Or
it could be the size of a shipping container and
so heavy that you need not just one truck, but
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several trucks and several hundred tires to be able to
carry such a device. So transformers look weird metal boxes
with weird things sticking out of them, of all kinds
of sizes. And I can guarantee you if you have
walked in a city, any city in the world, you
have at one point passed a transformer without realizing that
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there was one. We know, in numbers, at least in
the US there are something like eighty million small transformers,
which means one for every four or five people in America.
There are also transformers of crazy number of varieties. So
one estimate from the US Department of Energy was there
eighty thousand models of transformers just in the US, and
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I really couldn't wrap my head around it. So the
nearest comparison I could find is that is as much
as every unique car model ever manufactured.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean that's huge. Eighty thousand different models of transformers.
Why are there's so many different varieties I would expect,
you know, if they're necessary everywhere, you would just say, okay,
we need a big one, a medium one, and a
small one. Let's just mass produce those and we're done
with it.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, exactly. And this is the difficulty of electricity. What
happens is that the grid behaves in different ways depending
on the size and the location where power is moving from,
where it's being generated, where it's being consumed. And so
what ended up happening was to manage the grid, electrical
engineers came up with those specific transformers needed at that
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node in the grid, and it worked like magic, and
so they just kept building these customized transformers for these
specific places. So, yes, there is some standardization on the
small transformers, but on the large transformers, there's just whatever
is needed at that point in the grid. And it
is really becoming a problem because if you need to
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have a custom build transformer, you need to have a
custom maker of that transformer somewhere taking your order and
working on your specific needs. There is a movement that
is happening around the industry to try and standardize the transformer.
But the electricity industry, which is the other thing I
learned reporting this story is just really very conservative. It's
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actually not like the oil and gas industry, which takes
on these risks and tries to share or tries to
figure out how to compress things in a more efficient way.
Has these large companies who wanted to throw money at
R and D. Electricity companies for the most part, are
either state owned or heavily regulated by the government and
are just wanting to make sure things work and there
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are no blackouts, and they are really conservative. So if
something's working, like a custom made transformer, let's keep going
that way, please.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
How bad in terms of the timeline to get a
transformer delivered? Has this shortage become.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So you could have got a large power transformer which
is custom made in a year's time, fifteen months, eighteen months.
That's now doubled or tripled in some cases. So three
to five years for a large power transformer is pretty
common these days, and that's a real challenge for anybody
planning a power plant. A solar power plant at most
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takes six months twelve months to put together, but if
a transformer can't be secured for three or five years,
the energy transition gets delayed.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We'll be back with more of my conversation with ac
chat Ratty after this short break. And Hey, if you're
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Speaker 4 (19:03):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
You say they're everywhere. They're crucial to maintaining our entire
electricity system. And now we have this huge demand for electricity.
Surely that's prime conditions for there to be a boom
in the manufacture of transformers.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yes, So when I asked the question to industry experts,
they said, the difficulty has been that the transformer industry
has gone through a boom and bus cycle that has
made them really conservative. So companies like G E. Vanova,
Hitachi Energy, these are big, giant, multi billion dollar companies
in the world that make all kinds of infrastructure, but
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they saw the transformer business not be as profitable as
they had expected. So around the late tooth thousands, there
was a growth in electricity demand and transformer makers just
like now, saw that they needed to boost their manufacturing
to be able to keep up with that demand and
to be able to make more profits, and so they
started investing in this manufacturing capacity, and of course then
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the financial crisis came and all that demand that was
expected disappeared and those investments turned sour and they made
a bunch of losses. So this time around, when they
are seeing this electricity demand rise, they're saying, wait a minute,
maybe it's there, maybe it's not there in the future.
We aren't ready yet to make the investments needed, unless,
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of course governments want to subsidize that.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And as part of your reporting, you actually went to
one of these transformer factories in the town of Stafford,
which is just north of Birmingham in England. What was
it like in this factory.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It's the only transformer factory left in the UK, so
I was lucky at least there's one I could go to.
He was a stunning place. So Stafford has a history
of actually making electrical infra structure for well over one
hundred years.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Huge factory.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
I mean you go inside, and I mean inside factories,
but like this. The scale of this one was just enormous,
floor to ceiling, probably seven eight floors, all empty space
because you need to have equipment that's moving around.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
When we ship a large transformer on one of these transporters,
we actually have police escort all the way to L's.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
We are quickause of their weight time.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, typically three hundred tons something like that, three hundred
and fifty tons.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So yeah, the transformers that they made at this factory
are a very large power transformers. They're use typically to
take electricity that is coming from offshore wind farms and
then brought on shore, so they're handling electricity at hundreds
of thousands of volts and making them is really interesting
because it goes through this process that requires engineering precision
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for each component in the device. And we had the
operations your Jeevan Nova. Eduardo Villar tell us it's not
like making a bottle. There are thousands of parts in
a transformer.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
How many of these big transformers are they making a
year a We're talking hundreds, we're talking one thousands.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, it's a factory that is getting expanded right now
and is going to increase its capacity by fifty percent,
and by the end of it, it's going to be
able to make about three dozen transformers a year, so
thirty six, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So I want to try and ground this a little
bit in I guess people's more everyday experience of transformers
you know, we have these challenges going on behind the scenes,
but obviously most of us don't think about transformers and
how they're used. So what are some of the real
impacts of this shortage of transformers.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So Heathrow actually brought this home really well. Right, if
you get a transformer blowing up and you get the
spare one as it happened in Heathrow's case, also going
down at the same time, well you get a black cut.
That is an extreme scenario. In most cases, what a
shortage of transformers is doing is just slowing down the
building of electrical infrastructure, and that's increasing costs. So your
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hyperscalers as they are known these days, that data center
companies or the tech companies that want data centers just
want data centers and they want it to day. But
if they're not transformers, they can't get the power coming
at the right voltages that they need, and they're going
to have to wait, which means they're going to lose
out on business, or they're going to lose out to
a competitor, or they just have to pay through the
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nose to kick somebody out in another waiting list and
get that transformer at whatever price.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
They can.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
It happened earlier this year when Microsoft signed a contract
to get a nuclear power plant in the US restarted.
That nuclear power plant is a giant one. It requires
a giant transformer, and the company that is going to
restart that plant was willing to pay one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
One hundred million dollars for a transformer a typical transfer
cost of heater going down for a day.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yes, and the trust the cost of a typical transformer,
the highest that I could ask industry expert has been
about two million, three million dollars. So somebody is willing
to pay thirty times as much just to make sure
that they have the right device in the right place.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
And one of the things I think that was really
interesting in your article is you talked about the lack
of spares in the industry. So it's not just you know,
for people who are building new projects. It's that when
things go down now, there isn't the infrastructure to replace
the transformers that have broken. And this has a really
interesting intersection with climate as we're seeing more extreme weather events.
(24:33):
So in your PC talked about the impacts of Hurricane
Helene when it hit eastern Tennessee last year, and how
that actually took out a bunch of transformers and they've
had a really tough time replacing those.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yes, we know that extreme weather events are having all
sorts of impacts on infrastructure, and electrical infrastructure is of
course everywhere and very exposed. We had another example that
we found in Kentucky where a cyclone took down the
electrical infrastructure and the transformers along with it, and replacing
(25:02):
them just took a lot longer. So the business park
in the Tennessee case couldn't get power for eight months,
and the houses that needed to be built in Kentucky
could not get power for many months afterwards. And utilities
are starting to manage that somehow by essentially hoarding transformers,
(25:26):
having many more spares than would have been typically needed
had there been not this level of extreme weather event.
Or if you can't hold a transformer, you go begging.
As we learn from utilities that some of them just
go to their neighbors and be like, well, we need
it now, you have some spares, can we get them now?
We'll fill your banks later, And sometimes the neighborly utility
(25:50):
is friendly enough to give you one, So he said
it's taking five years now to get a large transformer.
But I assume a lot of that data was collected
pre global trade war. Has been the effect of tariffs
on transformers. Yes, the data is pre tariff wars. We
do know one thing that tariffs are already making transformers
more expensive because a lot of the transformers, especially in
(26:13):
the US eighty percent of the transformers are imported, and
those contracts on imports are linked to the commodity price
of steel, because a lot of the transformer is just steel.
And so as soon as the price of steel goes up,
because you've got these startifs, the price of a transformer
goes up, the price of what the utility is paying
is going up, and thus the price of electricity is
(26:33):
going up, all sorts of downstream impacts. Experts told me
that they expect that if the tariff wars continue, we'll
get a longer timeline on transformers. But it's also a
dynamic system. Maybe it forces people to actually finally make
the decision on building bigger factories like Jieva Nova's doing
here in the UK.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And you mentioned still there. That's also another problem, sourcing
this very specific type of steel that's used in transformers,
which is called grain orted electric steel goes.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, it's a very funny acronym, and there are quite
a few of those in the electrical world. But steel
in general is what transformers need. Obviously, the steel on
the outside, that is what most people see. That's pretty
standard steel. You can get it wherever you want. But
the steel that goes inside is a very specific kind.
So yes, transformers are all different sizes from trash cans
(27:23):
to shipping containers, but the components inside the transformer, each
of them are pretty standard. So you have a core
which is made out of this grain oriented steel, and
there is a global shortage of enough people making that
type of steel. There are two sets of copper cables
that are attached on this core, So you need copper,
(27:46):
you need steel, and you need them to be built
in a very specific way for the need of the grid.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
So I imagine one way we can get around the
shortage would be hopefully technological improvements. Are we seeing many
developments in the channel form a space when it comes
to improving their efficiency or the amount of steel you
need or copper or anything.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So the core technology for transformers is one hundred years old.
There have been small developments that have made it more
efficient over the years, but there have been all things
on the edges. There hasn't been any fundamental invention that
has become commercial on transformers. That is not to say
those don't exist. There are all these ideas where you
(28:28):
could get a transformer that could be trucked to a
site when it's needed and it's not custom built for
that location, but it could be adjusted to meet the
needs of that specific spot. Or there are these new
types of transformers called solid state transformers, which are much
more compact that also do not need to be custom built.
(28:49):
It could be programmed to work for the voltages that
are needed on the grid. But those are all things
that are technologies that haven't yet been come up visualized
because the industry that uses these transformers are very conservative
about trying new technology. But again, this kind of shortage
is exactly the point that will cause enough stress on
(29:11):
the system and get people moving to perhaps try some
of these technologies out. That's what Benjamin Boucher, a senior
analyst for Wood McKenzie, told me that it's going to
be a long battle. Technology is not going to come
to save us in the shortages that we are facing today.
It's just going to take years, probably five years before
we see any of this bottleneck actually be resolved.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But these are crucial parts of our energy infrastructure, and
people are not going to be happy if there are
widespread blackouts across their cities, their countries. Isn't it in
the interest of governments to step in to get things
rolling here?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, and the industry has been trying to get governments
to step up. Not all places are willing. As we know,
government budgets are stretched. They're cutting down eight budgets in
Western economies, but a couple of countries that we found
in our reporting have shown how this could be done.
So Germany is underwriting many of the transformer purchases by
(30:07):
telling the makers of transformers that look, increasing your manufacturing capacity,
We'll make sure if this utility here in Germany isn't
buying it, we the government will buy your transformer, so
that certainty gives them the ability to actually plan out.
The other one is Canada, which is also supporting just
manufacturing sites. That's allowed Hitachi Energy to actually expand a
(30:31):
Canadian factory while it had to shut down one in America.
So governments can come into the fray, but reporting the story,
it's just that transformers that these boring devices nobody thinks
about unless somebody raises the alarm. And I just don't
think that alarm has risen high enough at the level
that governments all around the world are waking up to
(30:52):
what is a real, real challenge.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
And those are Western countries I want to bring into
the room China, because China is making leaps and bounds
in its electrification, are they facing the same problems or
have they factored in the need for transformers into their
electricity boom.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
So this is the story of places which have seen
five to ten percent electricity growth on an annual basis,
that they don't see the same level of disruption or
difficulty that Western economies are seeing. So in India's case, yes,
there has been a little increase in the delivery times
for transformers, is nothing like the tripling that we saw
in the US. For example, In China, there is no shortage.
(31:31):
Is the country that is making enough of them to
export to other countries. And if Western economies want to
catch up with China on the race to build AI,
on the race to electrify their auto sector, they are
going to have to step up on the Transformer game.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Actually, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Thank you, and thank you for listening to zero. This
is the first step episode in the bottleneckt series. Next
we'll look at the shortage of skilled workers. Look out
for that episode in your feed. And now for the
sound of the week. That's the sound of the inrush
(32:16):
current into a forty mega volt ampere Transformer or is
it the sound of Optimus Prime summoning the autobots?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
You decide.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
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